Folding Paper Problem

I was reading "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell and early on the book (page 11), the author states

I give you a large piece of paper, and I ask you to fold it over again, and then again, and again, until you have refolded the original paper 50 times. How tall do you think the final stack is going to be?

He then goes on to state

...the real answer is that the height of the stack would approximate the distance to the sun.

I know phyiscally that it's not possible to fold a piece of paper that many times, but if it was, does anyone know if this would be true or not? In my estimations, the final stack was about 15 million miles short of the sun, but knowing me I probably calculated it wrong.

[ganzfeld]

2 to the power of 50 is about 1,125,899,907,000,000. Multiply that by the thickness of one sheet to get the distance. (This puzzle is always given a different answer, X times to the moon or the sun, etc. I don't think anyone ever bothers calculating exactly and neither will I, just this minute.)

ETA - Of course, I couldn't resist. I think you're about right for the thickness of ordinary printing paper: I came up about 16 million kilometers short, which is about 83% of the way to the sun. A little thicker paper and the answer given in the book would be correct.

this sounds like a challenge to me....

and to be eco-friendly, i'll use recycled paper

oh... i'll have to wait for the rain to stop first. or my giant sun-bridge may get soggy

[videoguy]

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1523497.htm

"if you had a sheet of paper, and folded it in half 50 times, how thick would it be? The answer is about 100 million kilometres, which is about two thirds of the distance between the Sun and the Earth."


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Folding.html

"Since one sheet of typical 20-pound paper has a thickness of about 0.1 millimeter, folding 50 times (if this were physically possible, which of course it is not) would produce a wad of height 1.13x10^(11) meters, and folding one more time would make the stack higher than the distance between the Earth and Sun."

[matches]

actually since the original quote doesn't specify folding the paper in half the maximum hieght of a peice of paper folded 50 times in an acordian style would be 5 millimeters (based on the presumption that an average piece of paper is .1 milimeters in thickness)

Now I presume this is ment to show the power of doubling, as is done in a penny doubled every day, etc. etc.

I'm not quite sure what the author's point was in this book by listing such a silly number puzzel. I certainly hope they weren't trying to tie it to something of dire consequence as that would be very misleading, as very few things in the universe actually continually double, and most things that increase are very self limiting. But maybe that's the point that you reach a tipping point long before you get to the sun and you can't fold the paper anymore.

[Troberg]

ETA - Of course, I couldn't resist. I think you're about right for the thickness of ordinary printing paper: I came up about 16 million kilometers short, which is about 83% of the way to the sun. A little thicker paper and the answer given in the book would be correct.

Just fold it one more time and you'll be there. Just make sure you do it during the night, or the paper will catch fire and you'll have to start all over again.

[Kahdra]

Originally Posted by matches

I'm not quite sure what the author's point was in this book by listing such a silly number puzzel. I certainly hope they weren't trying to tie it to something of dire consequence as that would be very misleading, as very few things in the universe actually continually double, and most things that increase are very self limiting. But maybe that's the point that you reach a tipping point long before you get to the sun and you can't fold the paper anymore.

I read the book, and if I recall correctly, his point was most people cannot accurately estimate exponential growth. Thus, they cannot understand that a few sick people can start an epidemic or that a few eccentric teenagers can spark a major fad. It was an interesting book, but I preferred Freakonomics.

[MapleLeaf]

Should I read it, then? I was intrigued by the apple-orange on the cover, but I wasn't sure if I would like it enough to justify spending $30 on it.

[Eddylizard]

Originally Posted by Troberg

Just fold it one more time and you'll be there. Just make sure you do it during the night, or the paper will catch fire and you'll have to start all over again.

Will it catch fire though, as there's no oxygen around the sun (or maybe an infinitessimally small amount.) or will our paper tower merely be vapourised? If so how close could I get my paper ladder to the sun before it is vapourised?

[Kahdra]

Originally Posted by MapleLeaf

Should I read it, then? I was intrigued by the apple-orange on the cover, but I wasn't sure if I would like it enough to justify spending $30 on it.

Check it out from the library.