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Old 01 December 2011, 04:38 AM
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Comment: In the past week there's been a lot of hoo-hah floating around
the Internet and especially Facebook about a conspiracy at Butterball.
The rumor is that they have been foisting certified Halal turkeys on
unsuspecting American consumers for years as part of an Islamic plan to
take over the food supply.

I think it's nonsense, but here's a link to the column by Pamela Gellar
that apparently started it:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...nksgiving.html
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Old 01 December 2011, 05:49 AM
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OMG! Halal turkey made me a muslim!

*facepalm*

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Old 01 December 2011, 01:30 PM
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It makes no sense to do this. Halal turkeys -- which are often just kosher turkeys* -- are premium items. They cost more the process and can also be sold for a higher price.

And eating halal doesn't matter. Christians eat halal items all the time.

*If it's kosher, it's halal, but if it's halal, it's not necessarily kosher.
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Old 01 December 2011, 01:37 PM
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There's the added claim that the turkeys are being killed "by torture", and that every single one is killed by a Muslim priest who says bismillah something something as he brutally murders the bird.

It seems a very expensive process.
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Old 01 December 2011, 01:40 PM
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Isn't throat-slitting a pretty common way of slaughtering animals in general?
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Old 01 December 2011, 01:51 PM
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What possible harm could it do a non-muslim to eat halal meat?

Oh no! The evil conspiracy to serve me meat that was carefully slaughtered! Oh, the horror!

But yeah, slaughtering meat to be halal is more expensive. I don't think any American company is going to use a more expensive process than necessary for no marketing or legal or safety reason and then be secretive about it.

ETA: OK, I can see the posibility of the article's claim. That if too much meat is slaughtered halal, they may package the extra without the halal label. But the argument that halal slaughter is cruelty and normal "American" slaughtering is kind and gentle is laughable.
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Old 01 December 2011, 01:55 PM
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Pam Geller sees Muslim conspiracies everywhere. She doesn't need an opinion column, she needs a psychiatrist.
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Old 01 December 2011, 02:06 PM
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Isn't throat-slitting a pretty common way of slaughtering animals in general?
In some places. First world standards require the animals to be pre-stunned. It's not kind and gentle; it's awful, but it's still better than either halal or kosher.
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Old 01 December 2011, 02:07 PM
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You know what I realized? Air is halal. Pam Geller, stop breathing right now!!
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Old 01 December 2011, 02:20 PM
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In some places. First world standards require the animals to be pre-stunned. It's not kind and gentle; it's awful, but it's still better than either halal or kosher.
That does bring up an interesting point though. Since 'stunned' animals are still killed via a slit throat, why doens't that work for halal or kosher? Do they require that the animal be fully alive before being killed when the throat is slit?
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The plan is to remove all the ham from the turkey...
That's how it's going to turn Americans into Muslims against their will!

So do your part to foil this evil plan, cook your turkey with bacon fat!
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That does bring up an interesting point though. Since 'stunned' animals are still killed via a slit throat, why doens't that work for halal or kosher? Do they require that the animal be fully alive before being killed when the throat is slit?
Here is one answer, Beach: http://www.organic-halal-meat.com/article/stunning.php It suggests that the problem is the risk that the stunning will kill the animal before it can be bled out, thus putting it into the category of meat forbidden by the Koran:
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"Forbidden to you (for food) are dead animal, blood, the flesh of swine, and that over which has been invoked other than the name of Allah, that which has been killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a headlong fall or by being gored to death, that which has been partly eaten by a wild animal, unless you are able to slaughter (in due form), and that which is sacrificed on stone (altars)." (5:3)
I'm not sure which of those being killed by an electrical pulse would fall into, but this is religion, not logic.
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The plan is to remove all the ham from the turkey...
That's how it's going to turn Americans into Muslims against their will!

So do your part to foil this evil plan, cook your turkey with bacon fat!
An interesting point. While my Thanksgiving TURKEY may or may not have been halal...my Thanksgiving MEAL most certainly wasn't halal (or anything approaching healthy). There is bacon in the green beans and marshmallows on the sweet potatoes. I think an observant muslim might have been able to eat a roll and a slice of cranberry sauce, maybe?
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Isn't throat-slitting a pretty common way of slaughtering animals in general?
That's how Kosher slaughter is performed, and Pamela Geller is Jewish. But she routinely hangs out with Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other traditional anti-Semites, because she hates Muslims so much.
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An interesting point. While my Thanksgiving TURKEY may or may not have been halal...my Thanksgiving MEAL most certainly wasn't halal (or anything approaching healthy). There is bacon in the green beans and marshmallows on the sweet potatoes. I think an observant muslim might have been able to eat a roll and a slice of cranberry sauce, maybe?
It's one of the reasons I find these "*whateverfood* is halal! we're being turned into muslims" rumours so silly.
With the amount of non-halal food, to say nothing of just the bacon fat that the average north american consumes, I doubt we have to be worried about a "secret conversion"

In fact, in some ways, a halal or kosher diet may be better than the diet many people have right now...
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That's how Kosher slaughter is performed, and Pamela Geller is Jewish.
I don't know if she keeps kosher, though. Many Jews don't. Not that I'm defending Geller, she's loathsome.
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In fact, in some ways, a halal or kosher diet may be better than the diet many people have right now...
Not for the animals, though.
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It might, since having milk-based foods would mean they couldn't have meat, so less meat would be consumed.
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In my experience there are ways round such proscriptions. Fish and sometimes poultry, for example, can be eaten with dairy. Gelatins and rennet are also up for grabs.
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It might, since having milk-based foods would mean they couldn't have meat, so less meat would be consumed.
Or less dairy would be consumed. Also what Chloe said.
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