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Old 18 May 2011, 04:13 PM
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Read This! Don't use 'cum laude' on resumes

Comment: My son, of all people, told me that one should not
use the term cum laude on a resume because "cum" will be flagged as an
obscenity and the whole resume will be automatically discarded.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:21 PM
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Also a problem if you were born in Scunthorpe.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:26 PM
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Most span blockers that I know of don't read the specific contents of attachments, just the content of the email message. Any sort of resume canning software would probably be a bit smarter about how it flags resumes and looks for content, and not just the presence of certain letters appearing alone.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:34 PM
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What diddy said. It's not like the term "cum laude" is unexpected in the context of a resume.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:36 PM
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I work at a university. I once sent an email to a high school student (incoming freshman) at her school-provided email address and it was rejected because of "cum laude" in the text.

This was a few years ago, but I seem to remember that it was not a spam filter per se, but some sort of filter that looked specifically for obscenities since the email service was provided by a school district to a bunch of minors.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:37 PM
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Government of Canada spam blockers will strip out the attachment if it determines that it is improper, or might have malicious code.

There are many words that get blocked by our spam blockers. However, I'm not in a human resources job where I expect resumes or CVs. Plus, cum laude sounds like a latte flavour here.

I did not realise that there was acutal resume reading software. I'm much wiser now.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:38 PM
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I work at a university. I once sent an email to a high school student (incoming freshman) at her school-provided email address and it was rejected because of "cum laude" in the text.
The text of the email, or the text of an attachment?
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:39 PM
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I did not realise that there was acutal resume reading software. I'm much wiser now.
Yup. That's why job-seekers are advised to identify and use key words relevant to/popular in their field.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:43 PM
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The text of the email, or the text of an attachment?
The email.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:50 PM
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I wouldn't recommend pasting the text of one's resume into the body of an email, with or without the phrase "cum laude." If you're submitting your resume via email, the body of the email should serve as a cover letter. I suppose there might be situations in which a degree and its honors would be appropriate for inclusion in a cover letter, but I can't think of any.
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Old 18 May 2011, 04:53 PM
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The email.
That's to be expected - the schools spam blocker was looking for words that would indicate pornography (which is probably going to be junk). That's why HR departments ask for a hard copy - It's intended to be a formal document that they can run though resume software.

They don't run emails. You put your resume in the body of an email, they will probably not take it seriously.

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I wouldn't recommend pasting the text of one's resume into the body of an email, with or without the phrase "cum laude." If you're submitting your resume via email, the body of the email should serve as a cover letter. I suppose there might be situations in which a degree and its honors would be appropriate for inclusion in a cover letter, but I can't think of any.
I believe I actually submitted my cover letter as a separate attachment when I submitted a resume back a while ago.

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Old 18 May 2011, 05:00 PM
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So you're saying that all my applications to the pron producers where I claimed to laude like an elephant with his goolies in a vice never got there?
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Old 18 May 2011, 05:02 PM
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I believe I actually submitted my cover letter as a separate attachment when I submitted a resume back a while ago.
That would work, too, of course. Just out of curiosity, what did you say in the body of the email?
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Old 18 May 2011, 05:20 PM
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That would work, too, of course. Just out of curiosity, what did you say in the body of the email?
If it was in an email (which it may or may not have been), it was pretty generic along the line, is please see the attached email and cover lettering regarding X position.
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Old 18 May 2011, 05:40 PM
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Just write "magna c. laude".

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Old 18 May 2011, 05:54 PM
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That's why HR departments ask for a hard copy - It's intended to be a formal document that they can run though resume software.
I'm not sure I understand your wording here. A "hard copy" is a paper document. Are you saying that they'd rather scan the paper and run the OCR result through the resume software? Or are you using "hard copy" to mean a .doc or .pdf file?

My company doesn't want either version. They want you to paste the text of your resume into their online application form. When the hiring supervisor gets a stack of keyword-appropriate resumes printed from the website, all of the careful formatting you did will be lost.
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Old 18 May 2011, 06:01 PM
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Which is why my first advice to job-seekers is to eliminate the fancy formatting, or at least to maintain an unformatted version for electronic applications.

I think it would be perfectly safe to use the term "cum laude" in an online application. I know I've done it, but I can't recall now whether any interviews resulted from those applications. Even if none did, I couldn't tell you whether it was "cum laude" or some other factor that got me weeded out.

The job I now have I applied for via attachment, although at some point I think I gave my recruiter a hard copy.
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Old 18 May 2011, 06:23 PM
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I'm not sure I understand your wording here. A "hard copy" is a paper document. Are you saying that they'd rather scan the paper and run the OCR result through the resume software? Or are you using "hard copy" to mean a .doc or .pdf file?

I should have been clearer. I meant hard copy to cover the full gamut of anything that can either be a real paper copy or something that could be printed as one. I wasn't trying to say that HR departments want to go through any hassle like printing and canning everything..
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Old 18 May 2011, 06:25 PM
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I should have been clearer.
No problem. I am often unclear.
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Old 19 May 2011, 01:03 AM
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Almost every time I've applied online for a job, I was told to attach my resume as a separate document. However, on a few occasions I've pasted my resume into the body of the email itself, as instructed. As far as I know, graduating cum laude did not prevent my resume from being read, nor did my field work with the Andean Cock-of-the-Rock.
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