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Old 21 January 2011, 04:19 PM
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Old 21 January 2011, 04:20 PM
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A very tall one?

These look familiar, too.
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Old 21 January 2011, 05:33 PM
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This image is at Mt Hakkoda - a parking lot.

Mt. Hakkoda - shows a similar image of a road.

ETA: Video.

Another video
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Old 21 January 2011, 05:44 PM
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Isn't the traffic in the photos in the OP on the wrong side of the road for Japan? Like the UK, Japan drives on the left. (Might have been mirrored of course)
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Old 21 January 2011, 05:48 PM
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This video shows how they could clear that much snow, but it doesn't explain how they get the "walls" so smooth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1kaovj3XoQ
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Old 21 January 2011, 06:01 PM
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This appears to be the source of at least one of the photos, posted on Flickr, and one of the comments leads to this, all in Japanese.

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Hakkoda Walk.

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Old 21 January 2011, 06:09 PM
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Isn't the traffic in the photos in the OP on the wrong side of the road for Japan? Like the UK, Japan drives on the left. (Might have been mirrored of course)
I noticed the same. Either the pictures are mirrored or it's not Japan.
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Old 21 January 2011, 06:27 PM
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One of the photos on this site shows a road being cleared on Chinook Pass; it's not quite as tall but you can see the sides are similarly smooth. I've seen and/or driven past similar snow walls in the Cascade Mountains.
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Old 21 January 2011, 07:40 PM
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Very large snowblowers, mounted on front end loaders. They start on the edge of a snow field, the blower is mounted where the front scoop on the loader would normally go. The driver can adjust the height of the blower as easily as he (or she) could normally move the bucket.

I have seen them kind of like this one, only much, much larger.
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Old 21 January 2011, 07:46 PM
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I noticed the same. Either the pictures are mirrored or it's not Japan.
The pictures are mirrored. Look at Tootsie's Flickr link and you'll see it's flipped.

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Old 21 January 2011, 07:54 PM
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Very large snowblowers, mounted on front end loaders. They start on the edge of a snow field, the blower is mounted where the front scoop on the loader would normally go. The driver can adjust the height of the blower as easily as he (or she) could normally move the bucket.
One of the sites I perused mentioned the plowers are guided by GPS (since the roads aren't visible before they start).
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Old 21 January 2011, 10:06 PM
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I had not heard of that, I didn't know if real-time GPS for civilian use would be accurate enough to keep a truck from plowing off a guardrail or something.

On Donner Pass, Caltrans installed steel bolts into the pavement. The trucks have metal detectors or something, by the time they are over one bolt, they can "see" the next two or three on a screen in the cab. Supposedly they can drive in a white out that way. (I can't remember exactly how it works, I saw it on "Modern Marvels" once.)

The National Park Service is much more old school. In the fall, they stick tall stakes in the ground, tall enough to be seen above the snow. They do this on roads that are closed all winter. In the spring, the machines just stay between the stakes. I've seen them do that on Trail Ridge road in Colorado and on Tioga Pass Road in Yosemite. They might use GPS as well, I don't know.

Yosemite had an equipment operator (Barry Hance) killed in an avalanche some years ago; now they don't open the road until the avalanche danger is past. That makes it less likely to see snow walls as tall as those in the OP.
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Old 21 January 2011, 11:29 PM
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Every were I have been at the end of fall that will have lots of snow to plow will have set poles along the road to mark it. I could see GPS being used to help guide them, but poles are the final authority for the road edge.

One must also remember the height of the snow wall is much greater than actual snow fall. The snow blowers and excavators tend to pile the snow up along the road as they dig it out. This can greatly increase the height of the wall.

Mt Rainer Paradise is a good place to go this time of year to see snow walls.
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:58 AM
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Navigation isn't that big a problem, and the photos are a bit misleading.

The don't clear that depth of snow in a single pass. It snows a foot and they clear it. Repeat many times.
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Old 22 January 2011, 05:20 PM
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That would depend on whether the road is kept open all year or not. If it is open all year round. Then the snow is cleared after every storm and the road is easy to find. On the other hand if it is like Chinook Pass, Cayuse Pass and the North Cascades Hwy here in Washington State. They close for the winter, so come spring there is 10 to 20 feet of snow with drifts that are much deeper and no signs of a road.
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Old 22 January 2011, 09:22 PM
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That would depend on whether the road is kept open all year or not. If it is open all year round. Then the snow is cleared after every storm and the road is easy to find. On the other hand if it is like Chinook Pass, Cayuse Pass and the North Cascades Hwy here in Washington State. They close for the winter, so come spring there is 10 to 20 feet of snow with drifts that are much deeper and no signs of a road.
So how do they clear? Front loaders and dump trucks? A snowblower wont work on snow that is deeper than the maw of the blower. Figure the maw is no more than several feet high.

Drive a snowblower into a drift 20' thick and you bury the snowplow.
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Old 22 January 2011, 10:39 PM
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They have snow blowers as tall as a locomotive. Most of those kinds are, however, on the front of a locomotive. For a road like that they use trucks that can clear up to one or two meters each pass. They don't do it all at once. They start from the top and go down.
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I just saw the second and third photos as part of an e-mail forward series of pictures supposedly depicting winter in Russia.
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Old 23 January 2011, 03:54 AM
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So how do they clear? Front loaders and dump trucks? A snowblower wont work on snow that is deeper than the maw of the blower. Figure the maw is no more than several feet high.

Drive a snowblower into a drift 20' thick and you bury the snowplow.
Some of the blowers are mounted on tractors, where the front scoop would normally go. They can lift the blower as high as the bucket could go, push in a few feet, back up, lower the blower, do it again, and again, until they get to the bottom.

Or, the lift a dozer on top of the snow, and use that to compact it until it gets traction, then use a dozer until the blowers can get in.
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Old 23 January 2011, 10:28 AM
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I just saw the second and third photos as part of an e-mail forward series of pictures supposedly depicting winter in Russia.
Definitely not Russia. Those places in Russia where you could find that kind of snow are very thinly populated and could never afford to clean the roads in such a thorough way. They simply drive on top of the impacted snow.
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