Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson in Morality 101

[Squishy0405]

A repost from Myspace, again not my personal belief or disbeliefs.

Today Don Imus was fired for calling the Rutgers University basketball team "nappy headed hos". Sure, that was inappropriate, but did the punishment fit the crime? Maybe we should look at the two guys who pushed this issue until Imus was fired.


Jesse Jackson says it's a question of morality, and what's right and what's wrong.




Just so we're clear:


Imus Calling Black Women "nappy headed hos": Wrong.


Jesse Jackson calling Jews "Hymies" and referring to New York as "Hymietown" : Right. (Washington Post, 1984)


Imus Calling Black Women "nappy headed hos": Wrong.


Jesse Jackson having an affair and Impregnating Karin Stanford, then using rainbow coalition funds to pay her $40,000 and purchasing a $365,000 house to keep her quiet: Right


Jesse Jackson not paying child support for this child, and not visiting her: Right


Jesse Jackson Saying Duke La Crosse Rape Suspects who have been aquitted "deserved the negative attention" because they weren't acting morally by hiring a stripper: Right


I'm glad we have someone with strong moral values like Jesse Jackson to make sure nobody makes racist jokes on radio stations!


Thanks for showing us what's right and what's wrong Jesse.


And who can forget Al Sharpton, another strong moral figure who knows the power of words:


After District Attorney Steven Pagones failed to prosecute white suspects for raping a black girl (because evidence showed the story was fabricated) Al Sharpton accused Pagones Himself of raping the girl. Pagones successfully sued him for Defamation. Right


But it gets better:


Imus Calling Black Women "nappy headed hos": Wrong.


In 1995, Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the plans of Freddy's Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned clothing store, to expand into a black neighborhood. Sharpton told the protesters, "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Three months later, an armed protester forcibly entered the store and burned it down, killing himself and seven others. Right


Thanks Jesse and Al for showing us what's right and wrong. I'm glad we can finally see the light now. I'm glad you guys stopped this guy, and all his charities for sick and homeless children, that will now dry up. Thanks guys!

[Ramblin' Dave]

Has anybody actually held Jackson and Sharpton up as paragons of morality? Not that I've heard of. Plenty of us on the left don't like either of them very much.
For what it's worth, Jackson has apologized a number of times for the "Hymietown" remark, and many of his loudest critics have equally anti-Semitic remarks to their credit.

[WonkoTheSane]

Originally Posted by Ramblin' Dave

...For what it's worth, Jackson has apologized a number of times for the "Hymietown" remark, and many of his loudest critics have equally anti-Semitic remarks to their credit.

But he's still got his platform, hasn't he?

Wonko

[PatYoung]

Yeah, but Sharpton and Jackson got a lot of media time during this "crisis". Imus essentially chose Sharpton as the voice of Black America, perhaps because he saw Sharpton as so vulnerable.

[WonkoTheSane]

I agree with that. Imus should have offered the apology directly to the ones he insulted: the Rutgers team. I think going to Sharpton was a huge mistake on his part.

Wonko

[ParaDiddle]

I think what the OP is trying to tell me is that I have no right to criticize the White Stripes for their repeated assaults on my eardrums, since I'm such a crappy musician myself. Screw that! The White Stripes can still be a sucky band no matter how badly I play.

- P

I think what the OP is trying to say is let he (or her) who is sinless throw the first stone...

[ParaDiddle]

I'll place a breakfast order in my next post

[Towknie]

Originally Posted by Doug4.7

I think what the OP is trying to say is let he (or her) who is sinless throw the first stone...

Well, in that case, I'll just grab me some stones here. The only question is, who's going to hit me with the fish?

[ParaDiddle]

waffles - with butter and honey, please

[ParaDiddle]

Originally Posted by Doug4.7

I think what the OP is trying to say is let he (or her) who is sinless throw the first stone...

In the real world, (not the world of parables and fables) that has never been a requisite for stone throwing. Who passes that test anyway?

- P

Originally Posted by ParaDiddle

Who passes that test anyway?

That's the point of the OP, in my view.

[ParaDiddle]

Originally Posted by ParaDiddle

In the real world, (not the world of parables and fables) that has never been a requisite for stone throwing. Who passes that test anyway?

- P

Originally Posted by Doug4.7

That's the point of the OP, in my view.

So the point of the OP is that past moral transgressions do not disqualify anyone from exposing the failures of others.

Well I stand corrected. I read it differently.

Actually, so did you, because this is what you posted first and is what I was responding to.

Originally Posted by Doug4.7

I think what the OP is trying to say is let he (or her) who is sinless throw the first stone...

Maybe you can help me clear up my confusion. Which one is it?

- P

It is both....

The point of the OP, in my view is, "Let he (or her) who is sinless throw the first stone...". In other words, NO ONE is, least of all these two, can point to Imus and say, "He was wrong" because we are all wrong (or sinful).

The problem with that is then ON ONE can tell ANYONE that they have failed because everyone is sinful. So everything goes.....

[Logoboros]

Unless you read the "first stone" lesson as one about punishment, not fault-finding.

You can point out and call attention to and even condemn other people's sins all you like -- you just can't administer the punishment. You can be judge and jury, just not executioner.

--Logoboros

[snopes]

Originally Posted by WonkoTheSane

But he's still got his platform, hasn't he?

So does Don Imus, as far as I know -- I don't believe he has been banned from appearing on radio/television or from speaking in public. If few people want to listen to him (or few media want to cover him) now that CBS/MSNBC no longer air his daily program, that's his problem.

- snopes

[We'veBeenHad]

Originally Posted by Ramblin' Dave

Has anybody actually held Jackson and Sharpton up as paragons of morality?

I hope not!

Not that I've heard of. Plenty of us on the left don't like either of them very much.

Smart move.

Personally I am a lot more worried about his shakedown tactics than his personal morality. As for Sharpton, I was subject to the Tawana Brawley hoax on television ad nauseum, and who was this whacko who wouldn't stfu about it? He is genuinely scary - utter lack of guiding morals, complete lack of intelligence - only abilities: fear/hatemongering. And that, not very good unless you're susceptible like a child.

I feel bad for the legacy of MLK - left in the hands of these charlatans.

ETA: Don Imus is a pimple of a man, a very unfunny "comedic" radio host, and should have been fired many years ago due to total lack of humor or sense. This latest "joke" isn't funny on any level and meant absolutely nothing. Just an idiot remark by an idiot. If he's fired, let's hope they get some genuine talent in there who can actually engender a, you know, LAUGH or two.

The rest of the thread reminds me of the N_ggers episode of South Park where Stan's dad had to bend down and kiss Jackson's ass in order to be absolved. LOL

Originally Posted by Logoboros

Unless you read the "first stone" lesson as one about punishment, not fault-finding.

An alternative idea would be the, "before you remove the splinter in your brother's eye, first remove the beam in yours...".

[ParaDiddle]

Originally Posted by Doug4.7

An alternative idea would be the, "before you remove the splinter in your brother's eye, first remove the beam in yours...".

Another alternative would be,

Pot (again addressing kettle) "So what? That doesn't make what I called you any less accurate"

And the White Stripes are poor excuses for musicians

- P

[Ana Ng]

Originally Posted by ParaDiddle

I think what the OP is trying to tell me is that I have no right to criticize the White Stripes for their repeated assaults on my eardrums, since I'm such a crappy musician myself. Screw that! The White Stripes can still be a sucky band no matter how badly I play.

- P

Hey! Why you gotta bring the White Stripes into this? Jack White *has* been named one of the best guitarists ever like, more than once. His music has awesome historical context. He has an *amazing* singing voice!

Jeez.

ETA: How the hell did you rebut my post before I even posted it?!