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Old 12 December 2010, 07:33 AM
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Military Teacher makes dramatic point about military service

I received an e-mail about a teacher who removed all the desks from her classroom and told her students that they couldn't have their desks until they told her how they earned them. During the day, none could, so she had to tell them. In the last class of the day, she opened the door and 27 U.S. veterans walked in, each carrying a desk. The teacher then told the students how they earned their desks. Is this true?

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...litary-service
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Old 12 December 2010, 02:10 PM
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I don't understand the point of the analogy. Without the military, there would be no desks? You can't even argue that without the military we'd all be under the thumb of some nasty desk-denying foreign government, unless you want to go back 65 years. I think the military does do some important work, especially the National Guard, but desk-earning? How, exactly?
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Old 12 December 2010, 02:23 PM
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Then she took all their food away, and told them that they couldn't have anything to eat until they'd explained how they earned it. Then she locked them in a cupboard with no air, and told them they couldn't have any freedom or air until they'd explained how they earned it. They all remembered that lesson!

(eta) "Yes, children. After their discharge from the army, these veterans all worked hard at the furniture removal company, and saved their pay packets until they could afford desks of their very own!"
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Old 12 December 2010, 02:42 PM
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One of the things veterans get upon release from active duty is a desk.

I thought everybody knew that.

Seriously though, what a trite silly thing.
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Old 12 December 2010, 02:45 PM
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Ooh, what kind of desk did you get, AnglRdr? Are they burnished hardwood, or cheap melamine things you have to assemble yourself?
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Old 12 December 2010, 02:48 PM
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Or is it one of those these, so you always have a place to sit? If so, can you opt for a left-handed one, or do left-handed veterans have to sit sideways to write at their desks?
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Old 12 December 2010, 02:51 PM
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Mine is made of all those students who couldn't answer their teacher's question about how they could earn their desks back.
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Old 12 December 2010, 04:36 PM
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It would be a better, and more accurate, story if the group of veterans included say a little old black lady, a couple black college students etc. A significant number of our rights were obtained by ordinary people standing up to our government, not just soldiers fighting foreign governments.

The story also needs to take into account that not all foreign wars had anything to do with protecting the lives or rights of the US population.
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Old 12 December 2010, 04:39 PM
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It didn't say the veterans were all white men.
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Old 12 December 2010, 04:52 PM
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It didn't say the veterans were all white men.
No, but it did say they were all veterans, and presumably that is their defining characteristic. Not all civil liberties have been obtained by soldiers. Rosa Parks did as much for American freedoms as any soldier that huddled in a mud hole under fire. Rosa took just as much risk of being killed. Same can be said for thousands of students (and others) in the civil rights protests of the 60's, especially in the south. Some were killed, all were at significant personal risk. All were doing what they did to protect, more often to get in the first place, their rights as US citizens.
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Old 12 December 2010, 05:13 PM
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Does it really need to be a competition, though, really?
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Old 12 December 2010, 05:30 PM
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Not all civil liberties have been obtained by soldiers. Rosa Parks did as much for American freedoms as any soldier that huddled in a mud hole under fire.
Not that this negates your point, but when Jackie Robinson was in the Army, he was arrested and court-martialed for refusing to move to the back of a bus in the South -- over ten years before Rosa Parks more famously did the same thing. The difference is that Robinson didn't have an organized group behind him to support his stand.
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No, but it did say they were all veterans, and presumably that is their defining characteristic. Not all civil liberties have been obtained by soldiers.
Then you mean that non-veterans should have been added, not included in the group of veterans.
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Then you mean that non-veterans should have been added, not included in the group of veterans.
Yes. My original phrasing sucked. The group should have included veterans and non-veterans since both have contributed significantly to advancing, establishing or protecting freedoms.
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Old 12 December 2010, 06:42 PM
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All a Soldier can do is defend those freedoms that have been forged by statesmen, activists, attorneys, and judges.

I don't mind being shown the respect I feel that I've earned by my military service, but I dislike having my ass kissed. Say thanks, maybe buy a vet a beer if you find yourselves in an establishment that serves them, it doesn't need to go much further than that.
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As do we all, in different ways and with varying degrees of success.
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