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Old 01 November 2010, 10:17 PM
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Japan 65 years later: Hiroshima and Detroit

Comment: Below is an email I just received October 2010. I do not believe
all of these pictures are accurate – I think some are of Yokohama (not
Hiroshima), but cannot find any solid source online to back up my suspicion.
I also find it suspicious that the email references “government social
services” as the reason for the discrepancy between “Hiroshima” and
“Detroit”:

65 YEARS LATER and we thought we were smarter than the JAPS.

READ AND PASS ALONG PLEASE!!

What happened to the radiation that lasts thousands of years??


HIROSHIMA 1945







We all know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed in August-1945
after the explosion of atomic bombs. However, we know little about the
progress made by the people of that land during the past 65 years.

HIROSHIMA ... 65 YEARS LATER











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Old 01 November 2010, 10:17 PM
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DETROIT 65 YEARS AFTER HIROSHIMA

















What has caused more long term destruction - the A-bomb, or U.S. Government
welfare programs created to buy the votes of those who want someone to take care of them?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure the one out, does it???
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Old 01 November 2010, 10:22 PM
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Comparing Japan to the US and then blaming the differences on a "welfare state" seems kind of rich to me. Japan, like pretty much every other civilized nation on this planet, has a much, much larger social safety net than we do.
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Old 01 November 2010, 10:30 PM
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Plus the photos compare nothing equivalent. The Hiroshima pictures are all at night (bright lights making everyting look shiny) of the central occupied business area. The Detroit pictures are largely of individual abandoned buildings during the day. 2 seconds googling finds a number of equivalent night time, business district, central city, pictures of Detroit.

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Old 01 November 2010, 10:39 PM
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Detroit is the most extreme example of industrial decline in the U.S.; Hiroshima is a city that was bombed - it's an apples to oranges comparison.

If we found an area in Japan that had high crime and empty industrial areas, then compared it to, say, Las Vegas, what would that tell us? Zippo - that's how much.

Not to mention, if Detroit had been bombed to pieces in 1945, it would look today much more modern than it really looks, because very few pre-1945 things would be around.
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Old 01 November 2010, 10:49 PM
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and we thought we were smarter than the JAPS
Japs? Really?
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Old 01 November 2010, 11:22 PM
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Welfare programs for devastated Japanese cities were just more aggressive and consistent is all. They didn't have some idiots continuously suggesting that the cities pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.
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Old 01 November 2010, 11:31 PM
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What has caused more long term destruction - the A-bomb, or U.S. Government
welfare programs created to buy the votes of those who want someone to take care of them?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure the one out, does it???
On the flip side. What has caused more long term destruction? Was it dropping an A-bomb on a city in Japan or was it convincing a plurality of the population of the US that socialism was a dirty word, safety nets were excuses for lazy people not to work & unions needed to be busted.
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Old 02 November 2010, 07:19 AM
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There's also the factor that Japan is an island nation. Real estate is at a much bigger premium there. Leaving two entire city in ruins simply isn't an option when your entire country is only 145 thousand square miles.

It's sorta similar to why we are rebuilding the WTC site so quickly, because its in an area that land is just so highly valued.

And as noted the atomic bombs could make cities look more modern, clearing out older buildings and allowing the buildings to be built with more planning and with modern materials and design.

Yes Detroit a rather sad story of urban decay and Hiroshima and Nagasaki are impressive examples of rebuilding, but that's all. There's no real comparison to be made between the cities.

I'm sure the photos are accurate, I doubt they are photoshopped or anything like that and are all probably fairly recent (although Tiger Stadium was demolished over a year ago), but they absolutely meaningless.
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Apart from what you all said already: What is the original poster suggesting? That we drop an A-bomb on Detroit, because after such an event cities prosper in all known examples?

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It's sorta similar to why we are rebuilding the WTC site so quickly, because its in an area that land is just so highly valued.
This made me LOL. 9+ years is not "quickly".
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Old 02 November 2010, 07:47 AM
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*Laughs* Fair enough. Amend that to "We started 'trying' to rebuild the WTC quickly..."

But my overall point, that in a country with as little land and as high a population as Japan, not rebuilding two major cities simply not being a valid option, one that a much larger country like the US might not have to worry so much about, is a valid one.
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Old 02 November 2010, 08:45 AM
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As the OP suggested, it's definitely Yokohama: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...27595&t=k&z=15
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What has caused more long term destruction? Was it dropping an A-bomb on a city in Japan or was it convincing a plurality of the population of the US that socialism was a dirty word, safety nets were excuses for lazy people not to work & unions needed to be busted.
Exactly - I still have to see an abandoned city* in the oh-so-horrible-socialist-hellhole that is Western Europe (according to the Tea Party).

To me, those pics of Detroit are the perfect illustration of laissez-faire Capitalism In Action, and the social Darwinism that goes with it. But maybe I'm wrong, and this tradition of abandoning a place when it no longer generates jobs and profit (and start anew somewhere else) is an American thing that dates back to the Gold Rush boomtowns.


*except for the Varosha area of Famagusta, Cyprus. But it's in a no-man's land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varosha_(Famagusta)

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It was even an attempt at a fair comparison. They showed cityscapes of Hiroshima and individual buildings in Detroit. Why wasn't this picture included?

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Old 02 November 2010, 02:05 PM
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Now, that looks better, Beachlife!

But of course, it's difficult to put a stupid rant about the imaginary evils of Big Government and non-existant Socialism under *that* pic.
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We all know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed in August-1945
after the explosion of atomic bombs. However, we know little about the
progress made by the people of that land during the past 65 years.
Yes, it's sad that so little news has managed to trickle from the remote, isolated shores of Japan since 1945. For all we know, the people of Japan may have reverted to uncivilized savagery - there's just nothing coming from Japan to tell us if they have any level of technical sophistication at all.
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For all we know, the people of Japan may have reverted to uncivilized savagery.
I'm not even sure there is such a place. It seems awfully mythical and legendary to me.
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Old 02 November 2010, 03:51 PM
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It seems awfully mythical and legendary to me.
You may be right - after all, Japan isn't mentioned in TEH BIBLE, so it must not exist.
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