Japanese Negotiations

[snopes]

Demands of Kidnapper & Release Negotiations



"I have 3 demands or I'll kill the boy!"



Negotiators assess the situation from next door.



Head Negotiator dispatched



Negotiations begin



Negotiations concluded



Everyone goes home in time for dinner. (Well, almost everyone...)

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In the USA - We would assume this guy is innocent and we would attempt to discuss the situation for hours, but more likely, even a day or longer. During this time we would feed him anything he asked for and provide warm clothing etc to ensure his comfort.

When it was all resolved we would give him a fair trial, having appointed the finest Lawyer free of charge to represent him. If we found him guilty (unlikely) we may send him to prison for a few years. The prison would be close to his home, so as not to cause distress and anguish to his relatives. While in prison he will have a roof over his head, watch cable TV, visit the gym and have all his medical looked after, eat like a king and maybe learn the law, gain a degree (for free) and before we know it he'll turn around and sue the Police negotiator, the Police Department and the State and Federal Government - all this and more is pai d for with our tax $$$s!!!

In Japan - They keep their expenses and time to a minimum! No wonder their cars cost less.

[Buckle Up]

In Japan or the U.S., if that man had had his ankle handcuffed to the boy's, or was holding on to him in some other way at the time he got shot, and thus brought the boy down to the ground with him, the dead boy's parents would be living like kings off the multi-million dollar lawsuit against the trigger-happy cops.

Just a theory, and assuming, of course, that these photos are real - I vote a TV/movie taping or other staged event.

From the lighting in each picture I'd say quite a bit of time passed from his 3 demands to falling down on the pavement.

Furthermore we don't know the full story behind this.Was he a crazed gunman who had violently murdered a bunch of children before getting up there?Or was he simply being chased by the police on minor charges and decided to take a hostage to drive them away(After all,criminals are rarely smart to begin with)?

Also in Japan or the US,if attempts to negotiate fail and you announce that you're ready to eliminate your hostages,you most likely will be shot down first.

According to this site, it took place in China, not Japan :

http://english.people.com.cn/200408/...18_153625.html

After a two-hour negotiation, police had to shoot the kidnapper when he was on the verge of hurting the hostage children. The two children were rescued unhurt and the kidnapper, identified as Zhang Kailin and in his 30s, fell to the ground and was rushed to hospital for treatment.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how we got from shooting a guy on a ledge and having him fall to the street below to the conclusion of "No wonder their cars cost less."

[snopes]

Originally Posted by Class Bravo

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how we got from shooting a guy on a ledge and having him fall to the street below to the conclusion of "No wonder their cars cost less."

Isn't it obvious? It also explains why their food is so tasty.

- snopes

[UEL]

Originally Posted by Class Bravo

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how we got from shooting a guy on a ledge and having him fall to the street below to the conclusion of "No wonder their cars cost less."

No need for a lengthy, expensive trial.

Of course, followed by a lengthy, expensive incarceration.

Of course, with lengthy, expensive appeals.

And, don't forget, lengthy, expensive parole and supervision upon release.

It's cheaper to execute on the spot rather than let the legal system do what it was designed to do.

Maybe with all the costs saved by government, the taxes are less and that results in less costs to the car manufacturing company, which translates to cheaper cars.

It's plain as day!

This is China, so they probably also charged the man's parents for the cost of the bullet.

According to the article the man survived the shooting and the fall and was taken to the hospital.

In the US, police snipers shoot to kill and aim for the head. They aim for the medula oblongata because otherwise, there might be a twitch response which might hurt the hostages.

[Salamander]

Originally Posted by songs78

According to the article the man survived the shooting and the fall and was taken to the hospital.

In the US, police snipers shoot to kill and aim for the head. They aim for the medula oblongata because otherwise, there might be a twitch response which might hurt the hostages.

Mmmm... no, they don't always shoot to kill.

Admittedly, it is controversial and there are plenty of uncontrollable risks but some do try to disarm by shooting.

Another likely scenario is the cop slipping, missing completely and aggravating the the hostage taker OR shooting a hostage and having the same effect.

In response to the "disarming shot" article:

The first rule I learned about gun safety is to only point a gun (loaded or empty) at a person if you intend to shoot them. The second was to only shoot a person if you intend to kill them.

I know there are at least a couple people on this board with sharpshooters/snipers in their immediate circle of friends or families. Have I been wrong in assuming that the idea of a "wounding shot" was a romantic notion culled from movies and "soldier of fortune" type mentality?

And yet, somehow I can't imagine the author adding "...and that's why the communist system is superior to ours" -- even if his assessment of the costs might be more or less correct...