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Old 27 April 2010, 03:57 PM
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A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say they have found wooden remains on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey.

They claim carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old around the same time the ark was said to be afloat.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...in-Turkey.html
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Old 27 April 2010, 04:05 PM
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Some ancient mythology says a giant wooden ship carried the entire planet's ecosystem for 40 days and 40 nights 4,800 years ago and that this ship ran aground in the mountains of eastern Turkey.

They found some wood from that time in that area.

So it has to be from Noah's Ark since no other wood could of possibly existed at the time in an entire mountain range.

Peerless logic that.
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Old 27 April 2010, 04:11 PM
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What's this, the 5th Ark that they've found? Every few years, somone finds an old barn and thinks they've found the Ark.
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Old 27 April 2010, 04:19 PM
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Some ancient mythology says a giant wooden ship carried the entire planet's ecosystem for 40 days and 40 nights 4,800 years ago and that this ship ran aground in the mountains of eastern Turkey.

They found some wood from that time in that area.

So it has to be from Noah's Ark since no other wood could of possibly existed at the time in an entire mountain range.

Peerless logic that.
Well, the biblical story is likely a myth with many apochryphal elements, but that does not mean, necessarily, that there wasn't a massive (though not involving the whole Earth) flood and that there was the one ship that survived it.
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Old 27 April 2010, 04:38 PM
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Well, the biblical story is likely a myth with many apochryphal elements, but that does not mean, necessarily, that there wasn't a massive (though not involving the whole Earth) flood and that there was the one ship that survived it.
Oh to be sure. The Deluge Myth is so widespread its almost a mythology archetype.
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Old 27 April 2010, 04:39 PM
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Even if a ship did once survive a flood (do you think?) it's a bit unlikely that it would have ended up 200 miles inland and at an altitude of around 5000 metres, surely?
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Old 27 April 2010, 04:40 PM
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Floods are not restricted to coasts.
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Floods are not restricted to coasts.
Indeed. Isn't the going theory that the flood referenced in the Ark story that it was the Tiberus river and surrounding valley that flooded?
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And actually if I recall correctly the Bible doesn't actually say Mt. Ararat, it refers to the "Mountains of Ararat", a region not a single peak.

This area has been placed by historians in various parts of Turkey, Iran, and various other close locals and in fact the mountain now called Ararat wasn't called that in Biblical times.
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Indeed. Isn't the going theory that the flood referenced in the Ark story that it was the Tiberus river and surrounding valley that flooded?
I read an interesting book from archeologists suggesting it was the flooding of the Black Sea when the Bosporus cracked to allow the low basin to fill. They brought to bear a fair amount of archeological and linguistic evidence that could be tied together by positing this event as a source material, as well as showing the likelihood that the Black Sea did indeed go from an inland lake to a relatively sudden flooding with sea water.
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Indeed. Isn't the going theory that the flood referenced in the Ark story that it was the Tiberus river and surrounding valley that flooded?
Another is that it refers to the flooding of what is now the Black Sea when the Mediterranean broke through where the Bosphorus is now. Supposedly there was a large body of fresh water with villages surrounding it at the time, that was subsequently drowned.

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Old 27 April 2010, 08:42 PM
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This just seems like the dictionary definition of confirmation bias.
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Old 27 April 2010, 08:55 PM
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Finally, a link from a news source more reputable than Faux News or The Sun: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...7/2280442.aspx

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"You have to take everything out of context except the Bible to get something tolerable, and they're not even working much with the Bible," said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist and historian at Stony Brook University who specializes in the Near East - and especially the region around Ararat, known as Urartu.
Apparently this area has been searched before:

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It seems as if evidence of the ark pops up at least every couple of years - and not always in the same place. The latest report appears to follow up on a 2007 expedition that came upon a wooden structure "in the interiors of an unusual cave" at the 14,700-foot level of Ararat's slopes.
And apparently the carbon dating results then were "different":

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Even if you assume the explorers found what they say they found, linking the discovery to Noah's Ark requires lots of leaps of faith: Is the carbon dating accurate? Scientists would like to know who did the dating, especially considering that previous tests reportedly came up with more recent dates. Is it more plausible that the structure is from a miraculous ark, or from an ancient shelter on the mountainside? Is there any evidence of a catastrophic flood that rose to near the top of Ararat 4,800 years ago?

"We know what's going on with Turkey archaeology at that time, and there's no major interruption in the culture," Zimansky observed.
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Zimansky said he would welcome hearing more about what's at the site. "It would be nice to know what they have found - if there's a scientific publication in the offing," he told me. "Press releases are not the way archaeology advances."
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Old 28 April 2010, 10:57 AM
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What's this, the 5th Ark that they've found? Every few years, somone finds an old barn and thinks they've found the Ark.
That damn mountain has more boats than the Gold Coast.
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Old 28 April 2010, 02:09 PM
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Just found a new theory, linked to the Black Sea Deluge:

When the Bosporus straits broke open and the whole Black Sea area was flooded, the population fled from the rising waters (it's been calculated that several cubic kilometers were flowing in every day - that must have been quite a sight).

Naturally, everyone ran for the moutains.

One Copper Age guy, believing the End of Days (or whatever his religion called it) had come and the water level would'nt stop rising until the whole world drowned, decided to save what could be saved and convinced his folks to build a large ship (or barge), high on a mountain side so they'd have time to finish before the water reaches them.

Eventually, the flood stopped and the now useless ship was abandoned to its fate.

Maybe the guy was scorned, or maybe he could tell the others the gods had forgiven mankind or something like that.

Then, the story was told and re-told countless times. As oral tradition goes, until it reached the areas where the Hebrews lived, it had been deformed beyond recognition.

Makes sense, don't you think?
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Old 28 April 2010, 04:45 PM
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My theory is that they wanted to start a new Olympic sport of glacier sailing or mountain luge. Ouch.
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Old 28 April 2010, 06:33 PM
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It's sorta funny to see them pushing carbon dating, considering the issues that so many of their peers have had with that little method.
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Old 28 April 2010, 08:22 PM
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interesting photos.... looks to be in pretty good shape despite the quake and eruption of the volcano in 1840-
http://www.volcanolive.com/ararat.html
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1840 Earthquake and Eruption.
On 2nd July 1840 there was a magnitude 7.4 earthquake at Mt Ararat. Many villages in the area around Ararat volcano and the towns of Dogubayazet, Maku, and Ordoubad were destroyed, and up to 10 000 people were killed. A 72 km long fracture extended from Ararat's summit. The earthquake was accompanied by an Bandai-type phreatic eruption from the northern slope close to the Ararat
summit. The eruption ejected of projectiles, an eruption cloud, and pyroclastic flows reached Akory village. A debris flow was also reported during the eruption
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http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volc...?vnum=0103-04- another site mentions the findings of bronze age artifacts and human remains that were located beneath pyroclastic flows that occured around the 3rd millenium BC.
So it is possible that the wood they want to carbon test is from that period.
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Old 28 April 2010, 09:16 PM
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I like Fred Clark's take on this:

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The expedition seems to have found a wooden structure. They hear hoofbeats, so they're "99.9 percent" certain it must be a zebra. Or a unicorn with zebra stripes.
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Old 28 April 2010, 09:57 PM
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The expedition seems to have found a wooden structure. They hear hoofbeats, so they're "99.9 percent" certain it must be a zebra. Or a unicorn with zebra stripes.
At that elevation might of been a zebra with wings which I guess would be called a zegasus
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