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Old 23 March 2007, 01:14 AM
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OK, so, this got sent to me (and numerous others) through the mailing list for one of my classes, though I'm not sure who it came from as I don't know the correlation between classmates/e-mails. In any case...it's long.


I LIVE IN A MANS WORLD

I live in a world of violence. I live in a world of pain, of sadness. I live in a world of rape and coercion.

I live in a mans world.

I live in a world where the normal man is masturbating to Hustler magazine and gonzo movies. I live in a world where I watch women be relegated to body parts for the profit of males.

I live in a mans world.

I live in a world in which men buy our bodies for sex. I live in a world that sees its men masturbating to rape, violence and underage sex with women.

I live in a man’s world.

I live in a world in which women are being forced to act out the painful, degrading images that men view and want from us. A world in which the men are able to walk away from Nike shoes but not from the degradation of women.

I live in a mans world.

I live in a world where empathy is given only to men. A world in which men expect women to allow them to have anal sex with them and who use it as a means to degrade the woman they’re with.

I live in a mans world.

I live in a world in which the women do it for the amusement of men.

I live in a world where it’s perfectly normal and acceptable for a man to fantasize about children and rape.

I live in a world that tells me orgasms are worth more than lives. Where everyday men tell me I’m a prude and a fascist for feeling empathy for women and their degradation.

I live in a mans world.

This is the world I live in, this is the world I wake up to every day. A world in which orgasms are worth lives and the right to abuse women is touted as Free Speech to protect the interests of the men who wish to harm them, control them, dominate them.

I live in a world in which the most popular pornographic movie ever made, Deep Throat, starred a slave. A woman who ran from her abusive husband and whose husband then dragged her back, a world in which the men in her life forced her to have sex with animals, with objects and it is touted as a ‘Right’ for men to view this.

I live in a world in which 4 men can ejaculate on a woman’s face and it is called empowering. A world in which men have taught our daughters that it’s appropriate and right for our sexuality to be used as men see fit.

I live in a world in which No doesn’t mean No. A world in which women die and are raped and beaten by men. A world in which the screams of the sex slaves and the cries of the prostitutes and porn queens are forever silenced.

I am amazed at the world in which I live. I am amazed that so many of our brothers and fathers are quick to organize boycotts and political protests against the injustices surrounding them. Except when it comes to women.

I am saddened by a world in which our bodies become commercialized. In which our sex is on display. I’m saddened when another woman tells me her story of being forced to act out scenes in pornographic movies and magazines with men.

I am saddened that our fathers, brothers and husbands do not care.

I am hurt that our pain is ignored. I’m afraid of the man who looks at pornography, afraid of what that man may ask of his wife or girlfriend later that night. I am afraid for his partner, afraid for her pain and her degradation. If you look at porn I fear for the women in your life. I fear for their safety, I fear for their self-esteem and their state of mind.

I fear for the safety of our children when men sexualize children and place them, like so many lambs to the slaughter, upon the alter of Male Pride and ego. It frightens me that men do not want to save their mothers and sisters from the pain of rape. It saddens me that they say they are against rape and then help themselves to pictures of women being raped but never volunteer to work at a rape crisis center.

I live in a world of doublespeak. A world of free speech for the ones who can afford it at the expense of the most vulnerable in our society.

Men, in our society, do not care about women and it hurts me because I believe they can care about us. I hear the words from the men and they ring, large and hollow in my ears. The empty excuses crafted to protect their freedom of speech at the expense of women and children’s lives.

I feel defeated by a culture in which I am leered at, whistled at and abused in front of men and they turn their heads from me.

It saddens me that I am expendable to my lovers, brothers and husbands.

It creates a void within me when yet another man stands upon the podium of male power and tells the women who have felt the vicious sting of their pride that we are prudes.

Are we prudes because we cannot, will not tolerate your idea of our sexuality? Are we prudes because we hear the women screaming and we cannot handle the sound of it? Are we prudes or are you just sick?

What does it say about you? What does your porn say about you? Does it say that you have empathy for people? I think not. Does it say that you have compassion and understanding for women? No it doesn’t.

If I were a man I would live in a world that told me I was better than half of the population. If I were a man I could take my power from women around me. If I were a man I could get off to images of women being degraded and dehumanized and it would reaffirm my place as superior in this world. If I were a man I could walk down the street unmolested, in comfortable clothing, unafraid of rape, of men taking my sex.

If I were a man I could scream from the rooftops that I was against rape and then, in private, I could masturbate to rape. I could tell people that I was against torture and abuse of children and women and then, I could go on my merry way and not bother with helping them, it is, afterall a ‘Woman’s issue’. I will have done my part to simply speak out against it, acting against it is something I would have the luxury of not bothering with.

If I were a man I could go to church on Sunday and show everyone just how pious and godly I was before going home and getting on the internet and looking up, “Hot teen pussy”.

But I am not a man. I am a woman and I cry when I hear another story of abuse and degradation at the hands of someone’s lover or father.

These men who choose not to help, these men who claim they are for women’s rights, that they are against rape, have rarely stood out from the crowd to contest the offenses. I go to a rally and I see no male faces in the sea of women. I go to the shelters and I see no men working towards ending the suffering of women and children. The faces aren’t there, or they are there in such small numbers that it boggles my mind.

I know that men don’t care. I live in a world in which I know I am expendable to men. My suffering remains unheard by men though they readily absorb the falsified cries of delight from a woman who is being penetrated by 2 men.

This world is a scary world, it is a large world and it eats us alive. Women are born into this world and labeled as girls first and foremost. We are trained to behave in the ways that men have decided we should behave. Women fear the night, we fear the streets and we hear your message, You do not care about us.

We hear that message loud and clear. We hear it every time you say you hate rape but continue to engage in behavior that puts you at risk of masturbating to someone’s rape. Some woman’s degradation. We hear you say you hate rape but hear you say that ‘nagging’ a woman to have sex with you is a-ok.

We hear your message and we are saddened, angry, frustrated at your ignorance and selfishness. We are unable to understand how you can cry against the abuse of women and yet turn your face from the eyes of the porn star, the eyes that are dead and empty. We hear your excuses and we see them for what they are, excuses.

We are puzzled that you are so angry about Iraq, so infuriated about the Iraqi war, and yet, you are not horrified at the rapes being played out every day on your favorite free internet porn site. We are horrified and your silence scares us.

But there are some among us who refuse to be silenced. Despite our fear and despite knowing that your hands hit and your dicks stand ready to rape us we walk. We are willing to walk amid you, willing to fight you and scream at you, to tell you that you remain deaf to us, to our suffering, as long as you remain in the grip of pornography. There are those among us that do this work, who speak against it and you hate us for it. You wish us death and call us names.

We hear your message. We hear that you are saying we are expendable and it saddens us and makes us afraid and confused that our lovers and brothers can look at us so angrily, that they can be so cruel and cutting, all for a picture of a woman being raped.

We are shocked at your inability to understand rape and molestation. How you can eagerly say that women who are posing in your pictures do so of their ‘own free will’ when that free will entails a history teeming with rape, abuse and molestation. That you can so readily convince yourself that their ‘free will’ is actually free after a life of being primed to be degraded.

Quite frankly we are appalled at your behavior; we are saddened to see that our boys, whom we’ve raised with the love of a woman, have turned into such heartless creatures. So far removed from females that our rapes and our pain is dead to you. That you would look at a girl being posed in your photos and get off to them knowing that they have spent a lifetime being abused and hurt by men, that you would call this ‘free will’.

We see you rise up against manufacturers that use child labor. We see you boycott Wal-Mart when it comes out that they’ve locked illegal immigrants into their stores overnight. But never do we see you stand in solidarity with women when it comes to the largest violators of our rights. The Pornographers and the Pimps.

Instead you cry out, “We just need to stop the abuse! No reason to throw away an entire industry because of a few rapes!” You scream it indignantly while never giving the same to Wal-Mart or Nike or Reebok shoes.

I ask you this, you say that the industry is salvageable. That one bad apple doesn’t spoil the bunch. What I ask of you is how much sewage do you need in your wine before you throw the wine away? You tell us everyday that the entire barrel could be sewage, that over 50% of it could be sewage and yet you drink that wine and claim we should keep it.

We are confused as to why you hold these things so dearly, though, when we think about it we understand that you are afraid. You fear women and you fear the power of women. You fear that we are as good as you, as decent as you, as worthy as you and those of us that walk among you tearing the filth from your hands scare you the most.

We understand. And, to us, you matter.

You matter because you are our brothers and fathers and lovers and your fear is as palpable as the fear of the woman you slobber over in your glossy pictures or on your dirty computer screens. We rise up with you against the Iraqi war. We fight by your side to end the humiliation of the Iraqi people, yet, for our fight, you are not there. You refuse to stand in unity with us because there is power in your pictures.

Yes, there is power in porn. There is power in a medium that seeks to destroy us for your gain, for your benefit. You probably turn to it when you’re stressed, when you’ve had a bad day at work, when your wife scolds you for something. You probably turn to it when you’re feeling powerless because it tells you the lies you want to hear. The lies that make you feel better about being a man, the lies that tell you that women like to be hurt and degraded.

I live in a dangerous world. A world in which I have been raped, punched, strangled and tortured. A world in which my sex has been bought and sold like so many loaves of bread. I live in a world in which pornography has been used to rape me, to hurt me and to rape and hurt so many unheard thousands of women that their screams become ineffective. We hear your message. When you tell us, “Not in MY porn”, when you tell us that you have “Good porn!”. When you earnestly try to tell us that you have a RIGHT to your porn we hear your message,

We do not matter

Since I have begun writing this blog I have come to understand that your anger against us is far more widespread than even I had initially imagined. I have been threatened with rape, I have been told I should die. I have been called any number of ugly things by the men who are fathers, lovers and brothers to women out there. I hear your message though I will continue to try to reach you with my message.

My message is that men can stop this. Men can stop the violence against women. If you are truly committed to using your arms for protecting us, if you are truly committed to keeping your mothers and daughters safe then I ask you one thing.

Prove it.
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Old 23 March 2007, 01:54 AM
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Old 23 March 2007, 02:53 AM
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I've never seen such a huge chip on anyone's shoulder in my entire life.
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Old 23 March 2007, 02:58 AM
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I've never seen such a huge chip on anyone's shoulder in my entire life.
But if you read some of her other entries, she says she doesn't hate men, she just hates what men do. link

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Old 23 March 2007, 03:05 AM
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Because the name Biting Beaver isn't degrading or anything, right?

And there's no woman in the WORLD who has raped a man, cuz ya know, all women are good.

And all men are evil.

Us men should die, and then only women should be alive, because all we do anyway is masturbate to rape porn, right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.............
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:37 AM
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Hmmm...

Naturally, this is entirely my opinion but the "Man's World" diatribe is to Feminism what PETA is to animal rights.

Yet, the link provided by pinqy & written by the same person is far less objectionable. It isn't even because it is somewhat concillatory... it's just that is actually recognises that all men do not operate with some group mind and uniformly hold the same prejudices & the same attitudes.

I guess that's my beef though, I generally dislike any statement made as an absolute regardless of the nature of it.
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:45 AM
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I’m afraid of the man who looks at pornography, afraid of what that man may ask of his wife or girlfriend later that night. I am afraid for his partner, afraid for her pain and her degradation. If you look at porn I fear for the women in your life.
So a guy who picks up a playboy is automatically going to beat and/rape his SO?
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:48 AM
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I’m afraid of the man who looks at pornography, afraid of what that man may ask of his wife or girlfriend later that night. I am afraid for his partner, afraid for her pain and her degradation. If you look at porn I fear for the women in your life.
So a guy who picks up a playboy is automatically going to beat and/rape his SO?
And there are women who enjoy looking at porn...with or without their partners.
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:50 AM
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Like I said...

Man's World to Feminism = PETA to animal rights

ETA: In my entirely uninformed opinion based on having read only two of her entries, I think she is perhaps overly reacting to the abusive relationship(s) she had in the past. Not that I blame her for that but I think perhaps there comes a point in the healing process where you have to let go of certain fears.

I've been badly hurt (emotionally, not physically) by a woman in the past. I think I could have very easily fallen into the "women are all bitches" attitudes I saw expressed by other men who had similar experiences to my own. In fact I may well have held this opinion for a short while but without ever expressing it. Regardless, I came to know & accept that the pain caused wasn't by virtue of her being a woman, it was because she was that particular person with a bucketload of her own problems.

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Perhaps you are all reading this a bit too literally? I took it as almost a poetic/raw emotions sort of hyperbole. YMMV

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Old 23 March 2007, 04:36 AM
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I live in a world in which men buy our bodies for sex. I live in a world that sees its men masturbating to rape, violence and underage sex with women.
Does this make it okay (in the eyes of the writer) for a woman to masturbate to those kind of images...or is it just worse? Because we can't really control what we get aroused by...
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Old 23 March 2007, 05:16 AM
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The OP is a piece of shit. There, I said it. It failed the "black" test...which you can see applied below:

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OK, so, this got sent to me (and numerous others) through the mailing list for one of my classes, though I'm not sure who it came from as I don't know the correlation between classmates/e-mails. In any case...it's long.


I LIVE IN A BLACK PERSON's world

I live in a world of violence. I live in a world of robbery, of sadness. I live in a world of crime.

I live in a Black person's world.

I live in a world where the normal black person is robbing convenience stores. I live in a world where I watch white people be relegated to victims for the profit of black people.

I live in a black person's world.

I live in a world in which black people...
I'm not going to go on. It's just so assinine. Normal men do not rape, they do not abuse, they do not hurt women. Some men do. And some black people rob convenience stores. But talk about tarring everyone with the same brush.
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Old 23 March 2007, 05:29 AM
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On one hand I have a great deal of sympathy for this woman. Reading about her rape as a child is taking a glimpse into the very heart of the kind of mundane evil bubbling like magma beneath the surface of suburbia.

On the other hand, perusing her webpage, some of the "rants" just seem so overbrimming with hatred that it's unsettling.

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Here’s the deal. EVERY man benefits from the rape culture, I’ve done several posts on it in the past (with another one in the works now!) and I think it’s important that we understand that each and every single man out there benefits from the rapes, beatings and abuse that women suffer at the hands of men.
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And there's no woman in the WORLD who has raped a man, cuz ya know, all women are good.
Actually, she addresses that here:

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When I say that "Men Rape" that's what I mean. I don't mean to say, "People rape" and give the 2% of rapes that occur by women the same weight as the 98% of rapes by men. If you can't tell the difference between "Men rape" and "All men rape" then I can't help you buddy.

Language is powerful. Any feminist knows that language is powerful. "Pro-sex" immediately means that the 'other' group must be "anti-sex". "Pro-life" must mean that the opposition is "Against-life". "People rape" implies that 50% of those rapists are women and they're not. This is a MALE thing and no, not every man commits rape, but of those that do they are MEN. Not 'People' (which indicates women as well) but Men.
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And there are women who enjoy looking at porn...with or without their partners
Actually, she addresses this: Women and Porn

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Women who are using pornography are getting high on the same sense of control that men are. Women who are using pornography are degrading the women in their mind and hating them for the same reasons that men are.
I have to ask the snopesters who are more...porn savvy...about this part, though:

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Soon however, I began to see JUST how horrible it felt to have cum on my face. Just how terrible I felt when he called me a ‘whore’ and a ‘slut’. I realized that when he asked me, “Do you like that you little whore?” and I moaned “Yes, **** me harder” that I really didn’t like the way I felt afterwards.
Now, I guess I'm a bit in the closet here. None of the porn I've ever watched has been this...vile. Yes, I've watched porn. Yes, I still watch porn. Yes, most of it is very badly made. But I can count on one hand--once--the number of times I've seen a porn video that contains the kind of degredation she mentions here, and it was an amateur job. The "professional" porn I've seen has all been more along the lines of, "Bad plot setup, bad dialogue, bad excuse to screw, ten second makeout, naked, guy goes down, chick goes down, multiple positions, exterior ejaculation, end." Any diagloe after "ten second makeout" is relegated to variations on "Oh God" and "Harder." Have I been living a sheltered porn life? Is 99.9% of adult entertainment out there as aggressively violent as "The Beav" makes it out to be?
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Here’s the deal. EVERY man benefits from the rape culture, I’ve done several posts on it in the past (with another one in the works now!) and I think it’s important that we understand that each and every single man out there benefits from the rapes, beatings and abuse that women suffer at the hands of men.
Now that I think about it...yeah! I NFBSKing love the rape culture. I totally got where I am today in life because women get beaten and raped every day. Without rape and violence I wouldn't have my minimum wage job at a grocery store. I definitely wouldn't be in university, 'cause the generators at my school are fueled by men's anger toward women. I'm afraid to walk down the streets at night 'cause I was mugged twice in a month - but that's silly, 'cause as a man I have the priviledge of walking the streets safely, 'cause I won't be raped (except maybe by another man) - so who am I to worrry? I should thank all the rapists and abusers out there for making my life so wonderful.

Yeah, I get it. I know men are priviledged in society. But I. Do. Not. Benefit. From. Rape. And. Violence. No one does.
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No one does.
Well, no... clearly some people do.

That aside, her opinions haven't angered me but MapleLeaf's reaction is exactly why I feel her actions have a great many parallels to PETA. About the only thing missing is hypocrisy, which she might have (as a statement of "all things possible" rather than an indication I think she is hypocritical) but is not evident to me.
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:22 PM
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Regardless, I came to know & accept that the pain caused wasn't by virtue of her being a woman, it was because she was that particular person with a bucketload of her own problems.

However, much of the pain caused to women is caused by virtue of males being "men." Sorry. That parallel can't be made unless women are the dominate sex in the culture.

And BB has ever right to be pissed off. Espically with what's happened to her lately (her abortion saga is overwhelming).

She's didactic and angry and might let her emotions get the better of her. Is that the best way to win over "men" to her cause? Perhaps not. Is it indicitive of her experiences in the world, experiences that align with many other women's experiences? Yup.

BB dosen't hate males. She hates masculinity and femininity and all of the bull associated with that. I totally get where she's coming from, and share her rage. I just don't express it, and let logic replace it.
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:24 PM
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But I can count on one hand--once--the number of times I've seen a porn video that contains the kind of degredation she mentions here, and it was an amateur job.

Go onto some of the review sites for mainstream porn and do your research.

Is it all bad? Nope. Is most of mainstream porn degrading and based on sexuality that is exploitative and dependent on power differentials? Yup.
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:26 PM
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The OP is a piece of shit. There, I said it. It failed the "black" test...which you can see applied below:

I'm not going to go on. It's just so assinine. Normal men do not rape, they do not abuse, they do not hurt women. Some men do. And some black people rob convenience stores. But talk about tarring everyone with the same brush.

You did the test wrong. Replace "man" with "white" and see the difference.

And it's the abnormal "men" who don't rape and participate in the sexual exploitation and abuse of women. All of those things are part of the concept of "masculine," have been for centuries, and don't seem likely to change anytime soon.
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:27 PM
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So a guy who picks up a playboy is automatically going to beat and/rape his SO?
Most porn (well, most pop culture) is an exercise in extreme objectification. And, yes, that makes it far easier to abuse another human being.
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Old 23 March 2007, 03:29 PM
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BTW: If you don't believe me about the anger directed towards women, read what she recieved when she posted on her recent abortion experience.
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