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Old 28 August 2009, 01:50 AM
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I've seen this on various websites, but I can't find a reliable source. Something tells me, though, that this is crap.

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A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that.
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Old 28 August 2009, 01:56 AM
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Of course they'll be able to tell if you've had one or not because of the microchip they'll be implanting at the same time.
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Old 28 August 2009, 02:05 AM
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I didn't even realise we had produced a Swine-Flu vaccine, however, it appears that we have although it isn't approved yet.. It's one of the many evils of the NHS, you know, checking a drug is effective before commissioning its distribution.

On a more practical note, how will they be able tell what you have or have not been immunised against?

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Old 28 August 2009, 02:16 AM
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There will be no legal requirement to get the vaccine, if only because demand will exceed supply.

However, I would be surprised if the sentencing guidelines, for whatever crimes defying public health authorities in an emergency fall under, limit the judge to imposing just 30 days of jail time.
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Old 28 August 2009, 02:46 AM
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It probably depends on whether or not it becomes legally required to have the vaccine. I suppose a state could declare some sort of state of health emergency and require residents to be vaccinated, in qhich case there could be criminal and/or civil penalties for failure to comply, but I'd think it would be quite difficult to enforce without calling in law enforcement help (i.e., National Guard).
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Old 28 August 2009, 03:07 AM
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On a more practical note, how will they be able tell what you have or have not been immunised against?
I don't know what the current status is, but when I had a cholera shot in 1984, there were some countries that simply wouldn't let you in if you hadn't been vaccinated* for it (India was one). The clinic gave my a vaccination certificate with details of everything they'd given me, and I would have to produce that at the border, or end up on the next plane home. Admittedly it was easily forgeable.

That's one way.

Also I would think in a domestic setting, a clinic would keep records of who had what treatments there. If I tell plod I had a swine flu shot at my local surgery, it's not difficult to check out my story.

However I suppose your question is apart from checking everyones records or randomly stopping people and asking for their certificates, how would the authorities know who to suspect of being vaccination free?



*I have never quite grasped the difference between vaccination and immunisation, if at any point I misused the term, please be gentle on me.
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Old 28 August 2009, 03:33 AM
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how would the authorities know who to suspect of being vaccination free?
If there was a centrally managed single payer health insurance program the record of immunnizations would be on your health care record.
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Old 28 August 2009, 03:34 AM
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Are we legally required to have any vaccine? It's a requirement to attend public schools to have certain vaccines, but there are alternatives to public schools for those who want to avoid that. I think the only people really legally required to be vaccinated are in the military.
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Old 28 August 2009, 03:52 AM
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If there was a centrally managed single payer health insurance program the record of immunnizations would be on your health care record.
True, but I already addressed that in the rest of my post. The authorities would either have to keep tabs on everyones healthcare record - which I suppose is possible, the TV licensing people here do something along those lines, and go and visit addresses without a TV licence to check that they do not have a television. I don't think (and I could be wrong) that the police have a right to go on a fishing expedition through everyones healthcare records without some sort of reasonable suspicion, and the confidence that it will be useful to an investigation.

Or there would have to be some sort of reporting system - you get your advisory to get immunised, then once you have it done, it's signed by the nurse/doctor, and you or they send it back in to a central agency, and the police start visiting anyone who hasn't sent theirs back within a reasonable time.

Both are possible, but unwieldy.
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Old 28 August 2009, 05:14 AM
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My doctor has been telling my up until last year. That I was at a greater risk of dieing from the flu vaccine than I was of the flu. I have not heard of the swine flu be any deadlier than other flues that have been going around every year though it may effect a different group more seriously.

So would you be putting some groups of people at more risk by making it mandatory for everyone?
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Old 28 August 2009, 06:08 AM
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On a related note,

Swine flu vaccine plan in disarray
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THE Federal Government's plan to immunise the population against swine flu is in chaos because insurers may not cover doctors who administer the jab.

Inadequate testing and the possibility of spreading other infections means there is too high a risk patients will sue, the insurers say.
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Old 28 August 2009, 06:09 AM
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I heard from a right winger convinced that "Obama" is going to make every man woman and child take the swine flu vaccine, whether they want to or not. They claim this is what their doctor told them, and they're just repeating it. Being charitable I suggested maybe there was some discussion of a contingency plan only for the event that it had become a serious pandemic, and something had gotten lost in the retelling it, turning it from a possible scenario into an immutable plan. All emergency agencies have to have plan out all the possibilities so they'll be ready when a real emergency happens, but just because someone somewhere speculates something doesn't make it a big conspiracy. But no, of course there's no arguing with them, because they trust their doctor. In retrospect, I should have offered to make a bet that by this time next year this certainty will not have come to pass.

They didn't bother explaining what the nefarious liberal agenda behind this plot would be, but I'm sure the possibilities are endless.

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Old 28 August 2009, 06:48 AM
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It probably depends on whether or not it becomes legally required to have the vaccine. I suppose a state could declare some sort of state of health emergency and require residents to be vaccinated, in qhich case there could be criminal and/or civil penalties for failure to comply, but I'd think it would be quite difficult to enforce without calling in law enforcement help (i.e., National Guard).
I suspect that by the time the CDC declared a 'health emergency' -- despite the bad press and danger of panic -- things would be so bad that vaccination or a $1,000 fine would be the least of one's problems. I'm guessing it'd be something just short of Steven King's The Stand.

Also if this is an Obamas gonna make a socialist police state sort rumor - shouldn't the rumored penalties be worse then a fine and 30 days in county? I mean detention in a special triage camp or something... heck see I just made the fake rumor scarier, oh and they'll do medical testing on yer kids.

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Old 28 August 2009, 09:19 AM
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I Also if this is an Obamas gonna make a socialist police state sort rumor - shouldn't the rumored penalties be worse then a fine and 30 days in county?
Well, it supposedly is $1000 per day, that is, if you refuse the vaccination one day, you get fined $1000, and if you still refuse it the next day, it's another $1000, and so on.

Refusing for the whole time of your county prison sentance, you'll end up with $30,000 in fines (and no income for that month because you couldn't go to work).

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Old 28 August 2009, 12:50 PM
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I mean detention in a special triage camp or something... heck see I just made the fake rumor scarier, oh and they'll do medical testing on yer kids.

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Here comes that FEMA train, rolling down the tracks...
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Old 28 August 2009, 01:09 PM
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If true, I am pretty sure we would have heard it on the local news. I have heard nothing about it so I am guessing it is crap. We watch the local morning and evening news M-F every week and this is the first time I am hearing this.
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Old 28 August 2009, 06:24 PM
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The authorities would either have to keep tabs on everyones healthcare record - which I suppose is possible, the TV licensing people here do something along those lines, and go and visit addresses without a TV licence to check that they do not have a television.
Thankyou so much. I saw 'healthcare' and 'TV licensing' and had to go and have a cup of hot, sweet tea and a lie down.

Can you imagine it?

'Our records show that there is no Healthcare License at this property. You are hereby notified that we have authorised officers from our Enforcement Division to visit your home and interview you under caution. Your statement will be taken in compliance with the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and and is the first step in our action to prosecute if we find evidence that you have been breathing without a valid license. I feel it is my duty to inform you that, if you are found guilty, you could receive a maximum fine of 1000...'

*shudders*
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Old 28 August 2009, 06:28 PM
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The rumor is bunk according to this local blog.
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Old 28 August 2009, 06:36 PM
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Old 28 August 2009, 06:47 PM
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I got something about this rumor, along with a picture of a "stockpile of disposable plastic coffins (disposable???) that FEMA is stockpiling, and that the Gov't plans on having NORTHCOM take over in the event of a swine flu outbreak.


ZOMG!!!


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Commenter MargieOh needs to grab her belongings and get on the train.
Ah, yes, MargieOh must have gotten the same tinfoily email that I got. FEMA camps, along with FEMA disposable coffins. Sounds like a fun place.
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