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Old 12 August 2009, 02:55 AM
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Dog Canine transubstantiation

Who can doubt the Real Presence?

On the evening of the last day of his October 1995 visit to the
United States, Pope John Paul II was scheduled to greet the seminarians at
St. Mary's Seminary in Baltimore. It had been a very full day, beginning
with Mass at the Oriole Park in Camden Yards, followed by a parade through
the downtown streets, a visit to the Basilica of The Assumption, the first
cathedral in the country, lunch at a local soup kitchen, run by the
Catholic Charities, a prayer service at the Cathedral of Mary Our Queen in
the north Baltimore area, and finally a quick stop at St. Mary's Seminary.

The schedule was tight so the plan was to simply greet the seminarians
while they stood outside on the steps. But Pope John Paul II made his way
through their ranks and into the building. His plan was first to make a
visit to the Blessed Sacrament. When his wishes were made known, security
personnel quickly flew into action ahead of the Pope. Their activities
included a sweep of the building, paying closest attention to the chapel
where Pope John Paul II would be praying. For this purpose, highly trained
dogs were used to detect any persons who might be present.

The dogs are trained to locate living people in collapsed buildings after
earthquakes and other disasters. These intelligent and eager canines went
through their rounds in the halls, offices and classrooms quickly, and
were then sent into the chapel. They went up and down the aisles and past
the pews, and finally into the side chapel where the Blessed Sacrament is
reserved. Upon reaching the tabernacle, the dogs sniffed and whined and
pointed, refusing to leave; they were convinced that they discovered
SOMEONE there and firmly remained, their attention riveted to the
tabernacle, until called out by the handlers. The dogs were right; they
found a REAL LIVING PERSON in the tabernacle!
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Old 12 August 2009, 05:01 AM
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OW!OW!
I rolled my eyes so far back in my head, they got stuck.
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Old 12 August 2009, 05:52 AM
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The dogs are trained to locate living people in collapsed buildings after earthquakes and other disasters. These intelligent and eager canines went through their rounds in the halls, offices and classrooms quickly, and
were then sent into the chapel. They went up and down the aisles and past
the pews, and finally into the side chapel where the Blessed Sacrament is
reserved. Upon reaching the tabernacle, the dogs sniffed and whined and
pointed, refusing to leave; they were convinced that they discovered
SOMEONE there and firmly remained, their attention riveted to the
tabernacle, until called out by the handlers. The dogs were right; they
found a REAL LIVING PERSON in the tabernacle!
And that person's name was Fred. (Make up your own story as to WHY Fred was found by the dogs but not the security people. )
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Old 12 August 2009, 07:40 AM
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Another possibility : Dogs like biscuits.

Seeing as most Glurge appears to be of the slightly loopy evangelical Christian type, it's nice to get a Catholic one, and a Jewish one with the frozen Rabbi. I'm looking forward to our first Zoroastrian or Jainist glurge.
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Old 12 August 2009, 11:57 AM
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Another possibility : Dogs like biscuits.
I don't think even dogs would find communion wafers appetizing ... or palatable.
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Old 12 August 2009, 03:33 PM
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Reminds me of the Tom Leher song The Vatican Rag.
...two four six eight, time to transubstantiate!


Methinks they're running out of ideas at the Amalgimated Glurge Factory.
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Old 12 August 2009, 03:53 PM
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I don't get this glurge, they found someone...aaannd? That's it? The dogs did their job properly, they found a person. Now what? There's no more? There's no "and he was a homeless, blind, deaf, quadrapalegic & the Pope laid hands on him & he was cured!!"

Or even better "He scrawled in chalk on the floor that he'd come to kill the Pope but he felt the presence of the Holy Mother & couldn't do it. Then the Pope forgave him & blessed & LO & BEHOLD!! HE COULD SEE, HEAR & HIS LEGS & ARMS STARTED WORKING AGAIN!!"

Oct. 31, 1995 was a Tuesday, I'm fairly sure that there probably WOULD be people in the place since it was a weekday. Unless it was declared some holiday because the Pope was visiting.
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Old 12 August 2009, 04:03 PM
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Canine transubstantiation
OMG, that's disgiusting. And in a chuch no less.

What?
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Old 12 August 2009, 04:21 PM
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Most security sweeps I know of use bomb-detection dogs. And, for regular "is there a person in this building" stuff, run-of-the-mill police dogs will more than suffice. Why bring in S&R dogs to do a building sweep?

Makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 12 August 2009, 04:28 PM
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Most security sweeps I know of use bomb-detection dogs. And, for regular "is there a person in this building" stuff, run-of-the-mill police dogs will more than suffice. Why bring in S&R dogs to do a building sweep?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

Does it have to? That would spoil the message! We are talking glurge after all. Besides the run-of- the- mill police dogs are probably godless heathens.
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Old 12 August 2009, 04:32 PM
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I don't get this glurge, they found someone...aaannd? That's it? The dogs did their job properly, they found a person. Now what? There's no more? There's no "and he was a homeless, blind, deaf, quadrapalegic & the Pope laid hands on him & he was cured!!"
Transubstantiation means that the communion wafers become the body of Christ. The person was Jesus!
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Old 12 August 2009, 04:39 PM
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Transubstantiation means that the communion wafers become the body of Christ. The person was Jesus!
Oooohhhhhh...not Catholic, didn't get the reference.

It's still a dumb glurge, I like my version better.
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Old 19 August 2009, 08:49 PM
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Let me explain this to you. The tabernacle is not large, it's small and sits on an altar in church. I guess the height might be about 2 feet tall,and in it are kept the blessed communion hosts for mass.
We Catholics believe that during mass, when the priest does the consecration over the bread and wine, that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. That is transubtanation, the changing of one substance into another. Remember at the Last Supper Jesus told his disciples, when he broke the bread to take it and eat it,for it was his body.
Then Jesus blessed the wine like He did the bread, and told his disciples
to take and drink it,for this was His blood,the blood of the new and everlasting covenant,which was shed for all men.
Jesus didn't say the bread and wine symbolized or represented His body and blood, but that they were His body and blood.
Look up miracles of the Blessed Sacrament on Google for some pretty interesting things.
If the story is true, the dogs acted the way they did, because they detected the presence of Jesus in the tabernacle.

Here is a story of St.Anthony of Pauda.One day he was preaching in the streets to the crowd. A man just laughed and jeered at him,and said the blessed host was just bread, that it wasn't the body and blood of Christ, and that he'd believe it when his donkey bowed before it. So the two made a wager.The man was to return in several days to the same spot.
St.Anthony would bring the blessed host, and they would have a pile of hay there also for the donkey. If the donkey went to the hay first, then the man was right.But if the donkey bowed before the Host, then the man said he would believe and change his ways.
Well the two parted ways, and St.Anthony prayed much for guidance and help.
Soon the day of the wager arrived. The donkey was very hungery, and the man felt he was sure to win. Soon St. Anthony arrived carrying the Host. He took his place,and then the donkey was set loose. the donkey saw the hay, but instead turned toward the Host St.Anthony was holding up, and got down on its knees in front of the saint,and bowed it's head. When the man saw this, he realized the errors of his ways and was converted.
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Old 20 August 2009, 04:45 AM
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Another possibility : Dogs like biscuits.

Seeing as most Glurge appears to be of the slightly loopy evangelical Christian type, it's nice to get a Catholic one, and a Jewish one with the frozen Rabbi. I'm looking forward to our first Zoroastrian or Jainist glurge.
I feel a sudden urge to write an athiest glurge. Or better yet, an agnostic glurge.

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Let me explain this to you. The tabernacle is not large, it's small and sits on an altar in church. I guess the height might be about 2 feet tall,and in it are kept the blessed communion hosts for mass.
We Catholics believe that during mass, when the priest does the consecration over the bread and wine, that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. That is transubtanation, the changing of one substance into another. Remember at the Last Supper Jesus told his disciples, when he broke the bread to take it and eat it,for it was his body.
Then Jesus blessed the wine like He did the bread, and told his disciples
to take and drink it,for this was His blood,the blood of the new and everlasting covenant,which was shed for all men.
And here I thought that was necromancy.
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Old 20 August 2009, 01:09 PM
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And here I thought that was necromancy.
Ritualistic cannibalism.

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Sed Contra:

St. Thomas, in his Corpus Christi sequence "Lauda Sion", writes,

Ecce panis Angelórum,
Factus cibus viatórum:
Vere panis fíliórum,
Non mittendus cánibus.

[Behold the bread of angels,
made the food of wayfarers:
Truly the bread of children,
Which must not be spent on dogs.] (My Translation)


That said, I think I've heard or read this story before.
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Old 21 August 2009, 04:13 AM
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Ritualistic cannibalism.

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But you're turning a cracker, excuse me, wafer, into a human body. That's got to be necromancy.

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Old 21 August 2009, 02:18 PM
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Well, I suppose if you take the ritual as literal rather than symbolic.

Glad to see you corrected the cracker part. Hate to think in addition to being anti-religion you could also be called a racist.

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We Catholics believe that during mass, when the priest does the consecration over the bread and wine, that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
I think you may have inadvertantly exposed something here. Isn't it true that consecrated wafers and wine are disposed of after mass? And before the act of consecration, they are considered just "bread and wine"?

I have to admit, the line in the OP "the side chapel where the Blessed sacrament is reserved" could be my undoing. Do priests ever consecrate host and then "reserve" it for a future mass?

I think it's far more likely someone at the seminary snuck a few hot dog bits into the tabernacle. Probably the same person who suggested the S&R Dog sweep!
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I think you may have inadvertantly exposed something here. Isn't it true that consecrated wafers and wine are disposed of after mass? And before the act of consecration, they are considered just "bread and wine"?

I have to admit, the line in the OP "the side chapel where the Blessed sacrament is reserved" could be my undoing. Do priests ever consecrate host and then "reserve" it for a future mass?


Reserved sacrament
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