Marine's Memorial Day Wave Off

[ElectricBarbarella]

Email from someone, who received it from The Patriot Post:

From: PatriotPost.US
Sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:56 am
Subject: Alexander: Marine Aviator's Memorial Day Wave Off

Alexander's Essay – 28 May 2009
Marine Aviator's Memorial Day Wave Off

"The consciousness of having discharged that duty which we owe to our country is superior to all other considerations." --George Washington
Every week, the greatest challenge I face as editor of The Patriot Post is determining which subject among all the current news and policy issues concerning liberty and constitutional integrity should be the target of an essay. I mention this because deep into this week's treatise and just a few hours ahead of deadline, I received a message from one of our Patriot readers that offered a far more powerful perspective on where we are as a nation than anything I'd been writing.
That message was from Mike McGinn, and began: "Only under the administration of a former 'community organizer,' a product of the corrupt Chicago political machine, who never served a day of his life in uniform, could a 20-year retired Marine Corps Officer be prohibited from visiting the Arlington National Cemetery resting place of his father, a 30-year retired Marine Corps Officer with distinguished combat service, on the most hallowed of days for our fallen and deceased military servicemen and women -- Memorial Day."
Interred at Arlington, Section 68 Site 113, are the remains of Mike's father, Marine Colonel James Arthur McGinn.

[Remainder of article at http://patriotpost.us/alexander/2009...-day-wave-off/

I've searched for it. Please help me either completely debunk this or find me a way to say to this person "Well, duh, they didn't let him in, the President was there". Unless of course, the line they state "no one has ever been denied entrance before when a President was there" is true.

And why is "inalienable rights" in quotes?

[AnglRdr]

Inching their way through traffic [snip for brevity] they were abruptly waved off and directed to leave the area immediately. Apparently, Barack Hussein Obama's motorcade was en route for the ceremony at the Tomb of the Unknowns and the area was being locked down for security.

Let's play a game of Spot the Logical Fallacy!

So, as combat veteran Mike McGinn was i n line to visit the gravesite of his heroic father this week, a wastrel and hard-left community organizer was having lanes cleared for his presidential motorcade.

Not a "wastrel," the President of the United States.

Patriots, my ass.

[Photo Bob]

Still nothing from other sources. Maybe right is actually triying to confirm the facts.

One can dream.

Of course it is the LIBERAL MSM covering it up so Barry can work on turning us all into Socailists.

Photo "seriously, why hasn't anyone jumped on this yet?" Bob

[ElectricBarbarella]

Aside from the logical fallacy Angl pointed out, I just want to know if one can truly be denied entrance to Arlington ON Memorial Day if a President is present.

I suppose one could be denied entrance to anything for dignitaries such as that, but I have never heard of full-on denial of entrance. Only limited or re-routed entrance (as in: when Bush was here, in Sarasota, on the day of the attacks, US 41 was not blocked or barricaded for travel, only one lane was cordoned off for his motorcade, cars were still allowed to travel, even right beside him, on 41. When he arrived the elementary school, yes-security was very tight and strict, but no one was flat out denied entry, they just had to go through some extra security measures). Even Sarasota airport-where his plane was--was not in "denial" mode. Air travel still took place, people still went in and out of the airport, they just had to be "rerouted" through the airport because of extra security.


Or can this be blamed on us damn liberals again?

[AnglRdr]

I doubt the story even happened in the way it was so breathlessly, freaking endlessly described (and digressed from--brevity, people, brevity is key!).

Nobody is guaranteed access to any park, and they can be denied entrance if there are legitimate reasons.

However, there are key elements of the story missing: 1. did the guard simply turn his car away at the gate, or did the guard instruct him to pull over or use another entrance? 2. Was this the only vehicle not allowed in? 3. Why does the story contain more information about the "victim's" service record than the pertinent details of the story?

So, I am saying that it did not happen in the way it was described in this particular missive, if it happened at all.

Originally Posted by AnglRdr

I doubt the story even happened in the way it was so breathlessly, freaking endlessly described (and digressed from--brevity, people, brevity is key!).

Nobody is guaranteed access to any park, and they can be denied entrance if there are legitimate reasons.

However, there are key elements of the story missing: 1. did the guard simply turn his car away at the gate, or did the guard instruct him to pull over or use another entrance? 2. Was this the only vehicle not allowed in? 3. Why does the story contain more information about the "victim's" service record than the pertinent details of the story?

So, I am saying that it did not happen in the way it was described in this particular missive, if it happened at all.

I agree with you. Without the life history of the "victim," the story becomes "some guy gets waved off to make room for the President's entourage."

The fact that it makes President Obama out to be the bad guy is another clue of the story's intent.

[lord_feldon]

Originally Posted by ElectricBarbarella

as in: when Bush was here, in Sarasota, on the day of the attacks, US 41 was not blocked or barricaded for travel, only one lane was cordoned off for his motorcade, cars were still allowed to travel, even right beside him, on 41.

When then-VP candidate Joe Biden was here, they didn't shut down the freeway he went down, but you couldn't get beside the motorcade at all. People in front were fine (ETA: I guess I'm assuming that. I didn't actually see that.), and people behind were fine, but all of the onramps were shut down right as the motorcade passed and nobody behind could pass the rear police motorcycles.

Originally Posted by ElectricBarbarella

When he arrived the elementary school, yes-security was very tight and strict, but no one was flat out denied entry, they just had to go through some extra security measures).

Do they usually let just anyone in the school, though?

[Lainie]

Well, shoot, they sure do close entire stretches of I270 whenever POTUS shows up.

[BamaRainbow]

From the OP:

The Patriot Post is protected speech pursuant to the "inalienable rights" of all men, and the First (and Second) Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. In God we trust. Copyright © 2009 The Patriot Post. All Rights Reserved.

Regardless of the veracity (or, more likely, mendacity) of the missive in the posting, exactly when did the Second Amendment start covering "protected speech"?

[Mickey Blue]

Originally Posted by BamaRainbow

From the OP:



Regardless of the veracity (or, more likely, mendacity) of the missive in the posting, exactly when did the Second Amendment start covering "protected speech"?

I imagine its the old joke/logic that when the first amendment fails to protect our freedom of speech, we'll turn to the second (in other words, revolution I guess).

-MB

[DawnStorm]

Well, the person in the story could have a) gone to Arlington later on that (I'm not sure how long the president is there but I don't think it's all day); or b) Gone to Arlington on May 30, the original Memorial Day.
The person in the story has obviously never been to one of the local military hospitals when the president has been there for a check up or procedure. We're talking major security, some of the clinic areas blocked off, access restricted. I worked at Bethesda Naval Hospital for 13 years and this is true for all presidents. Whether you like the president/his policies or not, keeping him safe/secure is important. I also know that an active duty serviceman is supposed to keep his political opinions to himself, or at least that was case when my husband was in the Navy. (maybe this person was no longer active duty) No, I'm not a fan of the current administration, but I'm even less of a fan of ridiculousness like what was posted in the OP.

ETA: Arlington Cemetary is huge and to my knowledge, the President, in addition to laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown, may also make a speech at the Amphitheater. Depending on the proximity of the grave to the president, this person may/may not have been able to pay his respects to his dad. I would think that if anyone was turned away from Arlington Cemetary on Memorial Day, or any other day for that matter, it would make the local news. I could be wrong though.