Police shooting video

[robbiev]

I suspect this is fake, for several reasons, but I don't know for sure. Thoughts?

http://www.rrmemphis.com/shooting.wmv

[callee]

help me out please, why is the link not working for me? In firefox, I click on your link and a new tab opens with the link address in the url line, but the contents of the window remain blank and white, nothing happens at all. Is there some add-on I need but don't have? Should some other little program be launching automatically?

[Katness]

It wouldn't play via the link for me either, so I right-clicked and "Saved As" and could then view it.

That said, I have no opinion as to the clip's authenticity.. it's pretty quick and, considering what it supposedly *is*, it isn't really graphic, ie: no blood or guts.

[callee]

thanks, that worked. I think I'll echo your opinion too.

It is pretty short so there isn't much to go on. The lack of blood and guts leads me to believe it could be a training video of some sort or a reinactment for a TV show or court or something like that.

After the cop in the foreground shoots the guy, he lowers his weapon and casually walks upto the guy who he just shot. Wouldn't you keep your weapon trained on the guy until you're sure he's dead or not a threat?

edit: just re-viewed the video and the cop in the background keeps his weapon on the guy for a bit but it all looks to casual for me. Also the camera operator looks to be infront of the cop at the start of it, it could just be the fact they are zooming in but it hard to say because its so short.

[Joostik]

Video worked for me (maybe you just need the right plugin, like Mediawrap?), only to have the browser freeze while reloading. I agree, nothing much to be seen, far too casual indeed, and isn't it pretty well established that people don't fall back like that when shot?

[ParaDiddle]

I'm pretty sure it's a video used in training for Law Enforcement communications. "Now, decribe what you just saw, " or "write the events in the official report," Even more specifically, describe the officer in the foreground, the suspect or the third person to arrive on the scene. Also, tell us which person fired the first shot.

- P

[Floater]

None of the two purported "policemen" wear any sort of clothing identifying them as officers of the law. Apart from that: no blood, no nothing suggesting this is anything but staged.

[UEL]

There was no action on the police officer's weapon. Usually there would be significant slide action on the semi-automatic.

Notwithstanding the lack of blood. The officer to the rear might have been the one shooting.

[DemonWolf]

I've never seen a person get shot before, so I have no frame of reference.

Could the bullets pass through the body so quickly that the bleeding hasn't started yet?
Could the bullets have entered one side and not exited?



IMO, it is a tactically bad shooting as the target was between the guy in the background and the cameraman, leaving a danger of the cameraman being hit. The man closest to the cameraman didn't have a clean shot either as he could have hit the guy in the BG.

[robbiev]

Originally Posted by DemonWolf

I've never seen a person get shot before, so I have no frame of reference.

Could the bullets pass through the body so quickly that the bleeding hasn't started yet?
Could the bullets have entered one side and not exited?

Yes, and additionally, it's possible (and somewhat common) for the bleeding to not be immediately obvious. I have another video of a shooting that I know for a fact is real, and the guy takes a .45 round to the chest and 8 minutes later, there is no blood.

I intentionally didn't mention any of the reasons why I thought it was fake, and it appears that you guys picked up on some of them. I personally think it's fake.

Sorry about the trouble viewing the video. It popped right up in WMP for me. I course, I know everyone does use Windows.

[DemonWolf]

Originally Posted by robbiev

Yes, and additionally, it's possible (and somewhat common) for the bleeding to not be immediately obvious. I have another video of a shooting that I know for a fact is real, and the guy takes a .45 round to the chest and 8 minutes later, there is no blood.

I intentionally didn't mention any of the reasons why I thought it was fake, and it appears that you guys picked up on some of them. I personally think it's fake.

Sorry about the trouble viewing the video. It popped right up in WMP for me. I course, I know everyone does use Windows.

Actually, I agree that it is fake, but I have no frame of reference to be sure of that, so I'm bringing up poinrts that I hope will direct us to the truth.

I would think that a bullet impact would be visible, possibly as dark/black circles of the white shirt. Also, assuming that these are police, the tactical situation is terrible, not to mention that the person shot appears to be surrendering. Between the tactics and the fact that it is a "dirty" shooting, I really hope it is fake.

At the very least, a shooting like this would, I think, be newsworthy enough to have been carried by a local news station - two white cops shooting (what appears to be) a surrendering black man would certainly cause some commotion in the community.

[robbiev]

Originally Posted by DemonWolf

I would think that a bullet impact would be visible, possibly as dark/black circles of the white shirt.

If (and I saying IF) the video is real, it appears he was shot in the back/from the rear. The officer in front of him clearly never fires a round.

Also, assuming that these are police, the tactical situation is terrible,

Agreed there. Some of the tactics don't appear to be too good.

not to mention that the person shot appears to be surrendering. ...and the fact that it is a "dirty" shooting, I really hope it is fake.

After the suspect falls, you can see a handgun in his right hand. Just before the shots, you hear someone yell "Gun!" If it is real, it's possible he was going for another gun. If it's a training video, I'm sure that was a demonstration of things to watch for.

At the very least, a shooting like this would, I think, be newsworthy enough to have been carried by a local news station - two white cops shooting (what appears to be) a surrendering black man would certainly cause some commotion in the community.

Generally speaking, I would agree, but it depends. There are quite a few police shootings here (relatively speaking) but you don't hear much about them on the news.

[Dark Blue]

I've never seen this video before, for training or otherwise.

Agreed there. Some of the tactics don't appear to be too good.

That is being generous. If any officers I worked with shot someone and then sauntered over to the suspect while holstering their gun they would get a quick boot to the head.

There certainly are a few circumstances, but they are few, that I would advance without cover armed with a pistol on a suspect armed with a rifle.

After the suspect falls, you can see a handgun in his right hand. Just before the shots, you hear someone yell "Gun!" If it is real, it's possible he was going for another gun. If it's a training video, I'm sure that was a demonstration of things to watch for.

Its a bit shakey and hard to make out against the dark colored SUV in the back ground but it appears the suspect turns and more or less points the rifle at the officer in the foreground before putting it on the ground. I would probably be chainging mags after having burned through one already at that point.

Yes, and additionally, it's possible (and somewhat common) for the bleeding to not be immediately obvious. I have another video of a shooting that I know for a fact is real, and the guy takes a .45 round to the chest and 8 minutes later, there is no blood.

Yeah sometimes gunshot wounds bleed like a fountain, other times you can't hardly tell there is a gunshot wound there. It is quite possible for someone to be shot and not see blood at any time, even if there is massive internal injuries to organs. Particularly with pistol rounds.

In my opinion it is definately not real. If it's being made as a training video or as part of documentary or something I have no clue.

[robbiev]

Originally Posted by Dark Blue

That is being generous. If any officers I worked with shot someone and then sauntered over to the suspect while holstering their gun they would get a quick boot to the head.

There certainly are a few circumstances, but they are few, that I would advance without cover armed with a pistol on a suspect armed with a rifle.

Agreed, definitely. I have a habit of trying to be generously vague in my statements because I have considerably more experience as an instructor and trainer than I do real street experience as a police officer. I don't like to sound like I think I know everything (because I don't) plus I very often run into people that like to argue about things I because they consider themselves experts usually, for seemingly invalid reasons, at least compared to what I consider valid reasons.

...it appears the suspect turns and more or less points the rifle at the officer in the foreground before putting it on the ground. I would probably be chainging mags after having burned through one already at that point.

Definitely agree there.

In my opinion it is definately not real. If it's being made as a training video or as part of documentary or something I have no clue.

Yeah, I can't seem to find any kind of information on it, which, most of the stuff I get, I can usually find something.

[Mr. Billion]

How'd you come across this video?

[robbiev]

Originally Posted by Mr. Billion

How'd you come across this video?

Actually, I don't remember. I'm a member several law enforcement and shooting instructor forums. Someone posted it on one of the forums.