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Old 13 August 2008, 04:06 AM
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Soapbox Jerry Molen predicts dire political results?

Comment: This is the email I received - wanted to check the acuracy:

The writer of this essay is Jerry Molen, an Academy Award winning
Hollywood Producer, who produced Jurassic Park , Hook, Rain Man and many
more classy movies, and who won the Academy Award for Schindler's List.
Jerry is one of the very few conservatives in Hollywood but wants to
include Democrats.
He says:

We are about to make the Mother-of-All-Mistakes, because the Republican
Party gave us no reliable alternative. If the conservative movement does
not rally behind the only alternative left to us, this country will become
a true Socialist State within the next two Presidential terms.

Ladies and Gentleman, this is the most grave situation this nation has
faced in my lifetime. We just experienced an over hyped, outrageous
primary election season that has left me wondering where the heads of our
citizens are hiding ... must be someplace where the sun doesn't go very
often.

At one time in my life I was a determined, dedicated and ever-loyal
registered Democrat. Then something happened. Lyndon Baines Johnson,
that turned my life around and gave me pause for the veracity of a party
that lives and feeds off of the most unfortunate among us. Some of them
are in their positions in life by their own choosing, others by outside
circumstance. But always, always there was a door open to them, to reach
for new heights, achieve new goals, change their lives for the better.
Similarly, there have always been the bottom feeders, doing what they
could to take advantage of those who had not or have not seen better days,
nor realized that they in fact were the masters of their own destiny.
These unfortunates had come to believe that they were dependent on people
in Washington , who would look out for and take care of them. They waited
and still wait for all those promised freebies.

Most people don't reflect upon the fact that the Democrats ruled
Washington for over 40 years; it wasn't until 1994 when the so-called
Gingrich Revolution changed but only for a while. These same people do
not realize that it was the Democrats who crea ted the failed policies of
the entitlement programs that are now falling apart before our eyes.

Do not think I find the Republicans blameless in all this. They, too,
suffer from the ego and greed built into our system. But in the past few
months I have listened with growing horror to the railings of the left,
calling for yet more giveaways, more promises of a proverbial free lunch.
What sums up my feelings, why I am appalled by those in political power is
contained within a quote by basketball legend and talk show host Charles
Barkley. 'Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last fifty
years...and they are still poor.'

Now, with our elections, come yet more new promises of change we can
believe in, for the future. But if you really, I mean REALLY listen to
what the new messiah is asking for, it is not change of policy or change
for the better. This is a warning that he wants our change. And the
change you will g et will not be the change you expected or wanted. I
leave you my predictions of what will happen if the junior Senator from
Illinois becomes President especially if the House and Senate are
veto-proof Democrat.

1). Strict gun laws, though he promised he would not.
2). In God We Trust will be removed from all currency.
3). He will renege on his pledge to Israel and leave them to the wolves of
Islam.
4). Hillary Clinton will be named to the Supreme Court.
5). Tax rates will surge to the highest levels in 30 years.
6. Capital gains tax will be at least double current levels.
7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.
8). Our borders will be open to all comers especially from the Middle
East and South America .
9). Amnesty will be granted to all illegals in the U.S, regardless of
status or even gang membership (think MS-13).
10). Our presence in Iraq will come to an abrupt end with tragic results
to their citizens and devastating consequences to our military.

My predictions will not sit well with some people. The best we could hope
for is that I am wrong.
Any bets?
Jerry
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Old 13 August 2008, 04:25 AM
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Standard "if the Democrats win, then every sterotype we have of them will automaticly come true and we will burn in hell" diatrade. It gets rediculous how these people think that everyone would lockstep behind such things.

Then again, I've seen people who think that a McCain win will result in an automatic christian religious state on par with the Taliban with our troops invading every nation in the world.

You know, sometimes its hard to be a moderate when you see everyone assuming that if you aren't reliably on their side, you must be on the extreme limit of the other.
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Old 13 August 2008, 05:13 AM
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7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.
Oh noes! The horror! The horror! McCain has my vote now!
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Old 13 August 2008, 07:11 AM
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I leave you my predictions of what will happen if the junior Senator from
Illinois becomes President especially if the House and Senate are
veto-proof Democrat.

1). Strict gun laws, though he promised he would not.
There's a verb missing there somewhere. But this link appears to be a reasonably accurate summary of Obama's positions on gun control issues. Obama probably would foster more strict / less laissez-faire gun control than the NRA would prefer.

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2). In God We Trust will be removed from all currency.
This is nonsense.

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3). He will renege on his pledge to Israel and leave them to the wolves of Islam.
Which pledge? But it wouldn't be politically feasible for any U.S. president to withdraw all support of Israel, regardless.

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4). Hillary Clinton will be named to the Supreme Court.
Here, the author gives away the fact that he's actually parodying the position he's supposedly promoting.

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5). Tax rates will surge to the highest levels in 30 years.
They may well go up for certain groups, given that many corporations have been successfully dodging taxes for almost a decade now. However, he has also pledged to cut taxes for the middle class:

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STEPHANOPOULOS: An absolute commitment, no middle-class tax increases of any kind?

CLINTON: No. That's right. That is my commitment.

GIBSON: Senator Obama?

STEPHANOPOULOS: Would you take the same pledge?

OBAMA: Well, I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I've been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.

One of the centerpieces of my economic plan would be to say that we are going to offset the payroll tax, the most regressive of our taxes, so that families who are earning -- who are middle-income, individuals making $75,000 a year or less, that they would get a tax break so that families would see up to a thousand dollars' worth of relief.

Senior citizens who have earnings of less than $50,000 wouldn't have to pay income tax on their Social Security. And middle-class homeowners who currently don't itemize on their tax filings, they would be able to get a deduction the same way that wealthy individuals do.

Now, here's the reason why that's important. We have seen wages and incomes flat or declining at a time when costs have gone up. And one of the things that we've learned from George Bush's economic policies, which John McCain now wants to follow, is that pain trickles up.
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6. Capital gains tax will be at least double current levels.
Double? Doubtful.

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7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.
Why's that supposed to be a bad thing? Does this author not support our troops?

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8). Our borders will be open to all comers especially from the Middle
East and South America .
They're not already? As I understand it, the United States does allow immigration and entry of foreign nationals into this country, with some exceptions.

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9). Amnesty will be granted to all illegals in the U.S, regardless of
status or even gang membership (think MS-13).
What's MS-13? Anyway, he supported the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act (S.1033/H.R.2330) 05-S1033 on May 12, 2005 ," which ontheissues.com says was a bill for "for comprehensive immigration reform without amnesty ."

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10). Our presence in Iraq will come to an abrupt end with tragic results
to their citizens and devastating consequences to our military.
And I'm sure that the author would never support someone who would take actions that would have tragic consequences for Iraqi citizens and our military.
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Old 13 August 2008, 11:36 AM
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What's MS-13?
Its a street gang that originated in Central America and has moved to the United States. I sincerely doubt that anyone in Congress is suggesting that we grant citizenship to all illegal immigrants regardless of criminal record or gang affiliation, though.
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Old 13 August 2008, 11:39 AM
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2). In God We Trust will be removed from all currency.
Leaving aside the cost of relacing all of the countries currency to achieve this, I don't see what the negative consequence is?
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Old 13 August 2008, 11:56 AM
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Leaving aside the cost of relacing all of the countries currency to achieve this, I don't see what the negative consequence is?
According to Kay Arthur, a famine.
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Old 13 August 2008, 12:26 PM
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Leaving aside the cost of relacing all of the countries currency to achieve this, I don't see what the negative consequence is?
A breakdown in the "In God we trust, all others pay cash" sign industry, resulting in thousands of workers sacked as well as millions of unpaid bar bills.

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Old 13 August 2008, 12:36 PM
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Does this author not support our troops?.....And I'm sure that the author would never support someone who would take actions that would have tragic consequences for Iraqi citizens and our military.
According to this site, the originating author of the email is Brigadier General Jim Cash, USAF, Ret.

In that version, the Jerry Molan essay starts from the line:

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We just experienced an overhyped, positively outrageous primary election season
The preceeding drivel is attributed to Jim Cash. A little research suggests that ol' Jim is a life long ultra-conservative.
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...what the new messiah is asking for...
I hear this "messiah" term thrown around a lot by the right-wing, usually spoken in a condescending and sarcastic tone. Problem is, I have never heard any Obama surpporters referring to him in this way, or even alluding to him that way. Sure, there are a few Obama supporters who are a bit more vocal and fanatical in their devotion, but McCain has those, too. It is yet another case of the right-wing accusing the left of commiting a sin they themselves have created.

I also find it very amusing that the email spent the first few sentences assuring us of the author's "celebrity" credentials, which is pretty ironic for a party that claims to hate celebrities and the hollywood machine! They seem to be using his Hollywood credentials as proof that we should listen to him, which is exactly the type of behavior that gets their panties in a bunch when the Dems do it! The only celebrities the right wing doesn't ADORE are the ones that aren't Republican!
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Now wait, Hillary will be put on the Supreme Court?What happens when she meets Clarence Thomas? (accused of sexual harrassment) Can the people who send these e-mails explain that?

Does it mean the entire universe implodes or something?
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Old 28 August 2008, 06:15 PM
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Now wait, Hillary will be put on the Supreme Court?What happens when she meets Clarence Thomas? (accused of sexual harrassment) Can the people who send these e-mails explain that?

Does it mean the entire universe implodes or something?
Well, if this were a sitcom, hilarity would ensue.
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We are about to make the Mother-of-All-Mistakes, because the Republican Party gave us no reliable alternative. If the conservative movement does not rally behind the only alternative left to us, this country will become a true Socialist State within the next two Presidential terms.
I suspect this person doesn't know what Socialism is.
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Old 28 August 2008, 07:30 PM
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I suspect this person doesn't know what Socialism is.
Oh, his definition is simple... anything he doesn't agree with.
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Old 28 August 2008, 07:34 PM
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What sums up my feelings, why I am appalled by those in political power is contained within a quote by basketball legend and talk show host Charles Barkley. 'Poor people have been voting for Democrats for the last fifty years...and they are still poor.'
Except that
a) not all poor people vote for Democrats; not all who vote for Democrats are poor.
b) even if all poor people had voted for Democrats, that does not mean the Democrats actually won.
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Old 28 July 2012, 08:42 PM
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I leave you my predictions of what will happen if the junior Senator from
Illinois becomes President especially if the House and Senate are
veto-proof Democrat.

1). Strict gun laws, though he promised he would not.
2). In God We Trust will be removed from all currency.
3). He will renege on his pledge to Israel and leave them to the wolves of
Islam.
4). Hillary Clinton will be named to the Supreme Court.
5). Tax rates will surge to the highest levels in 30 years.
6. Capital gains tax will be at least double current levels.
7). Retired Army General Wesley Clark will be named Secretary of Defense.
8). Our borders will be open to all comers especially from the Middle
East and South America .
9). Amnesty will be granted to all illegals in the U.S, regardless of
status or even gang membership (think MS-13).
10). Our presence in Iraq will come to an abrupt end with tragic results
to their citizens and devastating consequences to our military.
0 out of 10. Hard to be more wrong than that.
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Old 29 July 2012, 12:37 PM
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0 out of 10. Hard to be more wrong than that.
But he made all those "classy" movies, how could he be wrong?

I think many of the movies listed are great movies, the term "classy" seems wrong.


Sorry I wasn't posting when this was first posted.
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Well, the Iraq war has ended, but I would hardly call it "abrupt."
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Old 08 August 2012, 09:56 AM
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Well, the Iraq war has ended, but I would hardly call it "abrupt."
I'm not sure it was even possible to end it "abruptly". It's not like all the soldiers could just jump in their cars and drive home...
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I'm not sure it was even possible to end it "abruptly". It's not like all the soldiers could just jump in their cars and drive home...
Although that would make a good movie.
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