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Old 09 August 2008, 10:09 PM
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I couldn't find anything on this. Any thoughts? (and mods, please move if it's more appropriate for another forum)



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Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

>From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

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Now that you know, what we will do with this knowledge?
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Old 10 August 2008, 01:12 AM
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At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
I'm not going to go though all of it, but I had to highlight this - I don't think it deserves any comments.

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Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

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Now that you know, what we will do with this knowledge?
The knowledge that there are moronic bigots out there? I've always known that. What will we do? Treat them with contempt, as we normally do.
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>From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
So they'll express an interest in buying food they like? Woooo!!!! Scary!

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They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
"Threats." Hmm. I'll bet that means "threatening" not to buy food at those supermarkets.

"Inordinate" indeed.

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Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
Uh, Russia doesn't need any help from its Muslim population to have serious tensions. Can anyone say "Georgia"?
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After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Iraq -- Muslim 97%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
Before the war, Iraq was a secular state. Hussein may have been a tyrant in many ways, but he didn't target non-Muslims. And if the UAE is trying to drive out non-Muslims, they are doing a terrible job of it.

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100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam'
It will usher in the largest city in Tanzania?

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It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos.
Yes they do. The 2005 riots were sparked by an interactions between two teenagers and police officers in one of these ghettos.

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There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities.
I sincerely doubt that there are no public schools in these Paris suburbs. As far as courts go, is it customary in France to have a court in every little town?

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But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers.
And the source for this claim is...?
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Old 10 August 2008, 08:00 AM
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A few of the Muslim percentages are just a touch misleading.
For starters, the Muslim population of China is largely concentrated in the far western autonomous region of Xinjiang (Sinkiang), an area which shares a long border with a number of the former Soviet Central Asian Republics (Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan), and the Muslims of Xinjiang are largely members of the Turkic Uygur ethnic group.
Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana have always had a large East Indian community. While the vast majority of these are Hindus, it would stand to reason that some of them were emigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh (most likely when the latter was still part of Pakistan) as these two countries are considered "East Indian".
As to India, amazingly there were actually SOME Muslims who didn't want to migrate back in 1947-48 to become part of the Muslim nation of Pakistan. Even more intriguing, the most recent religious tensions in India have been due to the majority Hindus, with Sikhs also being involved. Muslim tensions in India have been primarily confined to the Kashmir region.
Regarding Israel, it should be remembered that the Muslim population of ISRAEL are considered legally distinct from those of the Palestinian Territories. Israel's religious groups (including JEWS and Christians) are given a great deal of autonomy over their own people. There are purely religious courts which deal exclusively with Jews and exclusively with Christians on a number of social issues, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance. Each religious group is permitted to establish schools with minimal interference by the State--Jewish schools (yeshivas) run by Orthodox Jewish groups segregate students on the basis of gender just as Muslim schools (madrassas) do. Israel has historically had less trouble with its Muslim CITIZENS than the nation has had with Palestinians. (Muslims who hold citizenship in the State of Israel are exempt from the military service required of other Israelis; then again, so are any number of ultra-Orthodox Jewish citizens as long as those Jews are enrolled in a religious school.)
Ethiopia, it should be noted, has always had a very large percentage of Muslims. (That it's given as less than 33% suggests that figures may be very shaky. A figure I have from about 5 years ago indicates that between 40 and 50% of the country's population is Muslim.) In spite of its inclusion in this fear-mongering list, Ethiopia has been surprisingly calm in terms of inter-religious activity. The country's been incredibly troubled in the last 30 years, but little of that trouble has really been due to religious infighting WITHIN the country (there's been far more ethnically-based conflict as well as regional secessionist movements--Eritrea's led to the region's independence).
Bosnia is really out of place on this list. Apparently *someone* wasn't paying very close attention to the news during the 1990s. It was the Muslims of Bosnia who were largely targeted for ethnic cleansing by Bosnia's CHRISTIAN Serbs. Had the Serbian population of the country not been backed by Milosevic in his attempt to annex whole swaths of Bosnian (and Croatian) territory as part of "Greater Serbia" when Bosnia seceded from Yugoslavia, and had the Serbs accepted being part of a multi-ethnic Bosnia-Herzegovina, the country could have been as relatively peaceful as it had under Tito's rule. (Even following the death of Tito, Bosnia was relatively strife-free in spite of its multi-ethnic makeup. The Yugoslav republics of Croatia and Slovenia, largely homogenous regions, saw more strife in the post-Tito years.) In other words, Bosnia's troubles have had almost nothing to do with its Muslim population (and, it should be remembered that it was OTHER Muslim nations, not Bosnia, which urged Muslims go to Bosnia to fight).
Chad. Chad. What can one say about Chad except for the fact that its Muslim population (like Bosnia) has had little to do with its woes? Being invaded by Libya (from the late 1970s all the way up to the mid 1990s, Chad was constantly faced with repelling Libyan troops and Libyan proxies, all over a narrow strip of borderland (the Aozou Strip), and more recently, the country's had to deal with the overflow from Sudan's Darfur strife.
And Lebanon. If it weren't for the Christian population's stubbornness on retaining political superiority over the Muslim population, there might be a bit less of the infighting that's described. When France granted Lebanon independence back in the 1940s, a census was conducted which set the formula for political governance. The Maronite Christians (not the only Christian group, but by far the majority) had a significant plurality of the population which allowed them to hold the Presidency and the bulk of seats in the Parliament (the Orthodox Christians were awarded the post of Deputy Prime Minister). The Speaker of Parliament had to be a Shi'a Muslim; the Prime Minister, a Sunni Muslim. After 1990, the Parliament was reapportioned to equalize the Muslim/Christian split. Then, too, there was a little matter of an invasion by Israel in the 1980s and an occupation of nearly half of Southern Lebanon which lasted more than a decade (which certainly didn't help religious rivalries, especially as the Israelis were very strongly supportive of the Christian population). Incidentally, until 1975, Lebanon had almost no religious-based strife, and nearly everyone agrees that the Christian leadership was most at fault for the eventual eruption of strife since they were the ones who most strongly opposed any census which might lead to a lessening of their power.
Regarding Albania, the 70% Muslim is largely regarded as a HISTORICAL figure which may not reflect MODERN post-Communist Albania. Under the Hoxha regime, Albania became one of the most avidly atheist societies wherein virtually every mosque and church was converted to museums or government offices. After the collapse of Communism, Islam didn't really regain a foothold in the same manner that Christian denominations did in the rest of Eastern Europe. Unlike Poland and the Catholic Church, there was no mainstream Islamic organization to play a role in the fight to end Communism (similarly, religious denominations played a very limited or non-existent role in Yugoslavia, Hungary or Czechoslovakia, but the leaders of the Communist regimes never attempted the same type of religious eradication as was done in Albania). In fact, according to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania),

Western European countries (but Germany and Austria) considered Albania as a Turkish colony for almost five centuries (1400-1900), mainly because they wrongly believed, some still do, that Albanians are Muslims.

Albania's perception in the West as an 'Islamic' country has also been reinforced because of the Serbian propaganda since the end of the nineteenth century onwards to present the Albanians as 'fanatic adherents' of the Islamic faith and as such as 'non-Europeans'.

Documents made public recently by the US government reveal that during the Cold War the West as well as the USSR often referred to Albania as a 'Muslim' country in spite of the officially atheistic stance of the Albanian government. [11]

The trend of declaring Albanians as 70% Muslims and 30% Christians, both of different denominations, and thus as a 100% religious people, or of declaring Albania as a Muslim Country or religious country, still carries on in international media, press, tv and the internet, thus perpetuating misinformation, outdated perceptions and distortion of reality.



I'm also a bit confused over the inclusion of a quote from Leon Uris. Using a work of fiction doesn't really bolster one's argument. A work of fiction can illuminate certain aspects of reality (though it usually helps if the writer is OF that culture) but it shouldn't be used to prove one's own bigoted preconceptions.

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As to that figure, I'm not really worried about it all that much since I don't really expect to live that long. (I figure if I make it to mid-century, I'll be doing damned good.)
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Old 10 August 2008, 08:27 AM
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Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
Leon Uris was not a Muslim. He was a western author. The quote is from one of his fictional characters. If you're going to quote, at least get someone real.

(PS, minor slap on own wrist.) Yes, of course, Muslim and western are not mutually exclusive.

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Bosnia is really out of place on this list. Apparently *someone* wasn't paying very close attention to the news during the 1990s. It was the Muslims of Bosnia who were largely targeted for ethnic cleansing by Bosnia's CHRISTIAN Serbs. Had the Serbian population of the country not been backed by Milosevic in his attempt to annex whole swaths of Bosnian (and Croatian) territory as part of "Greater Serbia" when Bosnia seceded from Yugoslavia, and had the Serbs accepted being part of a multi-ethnic Bosnia-Herzegovina, the country could have been as relatively peaceful as it had under Tito's rule. (Even following the death of Tito, Bosnia was relatively strife-free in spite of its multi-ethnic makeup. The Yugoslav republics of Croatia and Slovenia, largely homogenous regions, saw more strife in the post-Tito years.) In other words, Bosnia's troubles have had almost nothing to do with its Muslim population (and, it should be remembered that it was OTHER Muslim nations, not Bosnia, which urged Muslims go to Bosnia to fight).
I have three points to clarify with the above. Although, in general, what you are saying is true, there are still things that are not quite right.

First bolding: the Muslims were targeted by the Serbs. True. But not "largely". In the Srebrenica area it was true. However, the Muslims were also targeted by the Croats, and oddly enough, by other Muslims in Bihac. On the flip side, there were massacres of Serbs and Croats by Muslims, as well as of Serbs by Croats. It was a very, very dirty fight, and there were no good guys. To paint any one side a victim of the other is wrong. All sides were victimised by their other sides. Just like all sides were aggressors.

Second bolding: this is problematic. The Croats started the aggression in Bosnia, and the Serbs reacted as well as the Muslims. A Multi-ethnic Bosnia was a Tito dream, and it was through his iron rule that he kept it together. However, within a few years of his death, the cracks were showing. The Croats and Slovenes, you correctly point out, started sabre rattling early. The Croats, not being a real homogeneous population (Knin, Split having very substantial Serb populations amongst others) took the aggression into war before anyone else but the Slovenes. Granted, the Serbs in Serbia, and the Serbs in Bosnia were full of vigour for a fight, but it would not be fair to say that the Serbs were the ones that did not want the multi-ethnic Bosnia.

Third bolding: I alluded to it earlier. Pre-war Croatia was not a homogeneous society. In the southwest, in the area near Split and Knin there were significant pockets of Serbians. Canada fought a battle there in the '90s when the Croats attacked and "cleansed" a group of Serbian villages.

However, don't get me wrong, I agree with the lion's share of your points. But, some clarification helps make your argument stand.

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It's not clear how slavery enters into it. The e-mail quoted in the OP doesn't do anything other than mention it next to Islam and terrorism.

Although from what I've read elsewhere, apparently slavery is most common in south Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, so that provides an easy way for folks like the one quoted in the OP to attack Islam in general. Though it probably has more to do with local culture and backwards practices than Islam in particular.

I mean, you could as easily link Christianity and Judaism to slavery. Buddhism, too. And America, specifically Saipan and certain companies and congressmen.

This is my favorite part of the e-mail:

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They're after our coveted food-preparation jobs!



This is even worse than the Jewish kosher-foods conspiracy!
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I had better warn my dad - he buys Halal meat!

And no, he's not Muslim.
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I had better warn my dad - he buys Halal meat!

And no, he's not Muslim.
Soon he will be. That's how they start, by offeering the meat, then the hook you.
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'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
So why the switch from Muslim to Arab?
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So why the switch from Muslim to Arab?
Because the idiot author of this drivel can't tell the difference, much in the same way that he can't distinguish between a quote from a novel and actual facts.
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This must be true. Just the other day an Arab Street Gang forced me to eat some halal meat, or something.
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This must be true. Just the other day an Arab Street Gang forced me to eat some halal meat, or something.
Translation: Tarquin got drunk and ate a kebab
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Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
I don't see why this is really so worrying. From my understanding, at least, one could certainly say the same thing about Orthodox Judaism. And I don't know how else one would describe Christian monastaries. If you take most religions to a fairly extreme level, they become a complete way of life.
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Translation: Tarquin got drunk and ate a kebab
Excellent!
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For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
What do you mean "push for the introduction of?" Where? By law? By voluntary choice of restaurant owners?
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Could one of our more knowledgable/snarky Snopesters write a Christian version of this? Because I'm pretty damn sure the Bible has been used to justify slavery and terrorism. :cough:Slepian:cough:
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Could one of our more knowledgable/snarky Snopesters write a Christian version of this?
Or how about a parody involving the arrival of Europeans in the Americas?

"15%: The forcible taking of human scalps is introduced; when reciprocated in kind, is condemned as barbaric and primitive...

98%: Expect mandatory sequestration of all land, save for the most particularly arid and undesireable acres, to which the people -- those few still surviving -- will be restricted at gunpoint..."

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"Threats." Hmm. I'll bet that means "threatening" not to buy food at those supermarkets.
Which, in my opinion, isn't much stranger than me not buying bananas because I don't like bananas. Besides, most supermarkets here have halal food and arabic food in general, as well as asian food and several other ethnic food variants. Why? Because it sells. Not only to the ethnic groups it originated in, people today likes to try new food. This all leads to a wonderful mixing of food cultures, such as thai spiced meatballs, pizza with horse sausage or kebab meat, dark and heavy Swedish bread with hummus, all kinds of new vegetables in the cooking and so on.

In my humble opinion, cuisine is the second best example that mixing of cultures is not just possible, it's desirable.

The best example, of course, is children, who don't bother with such details as skin colors or even language, they just play together anyway. I saw something wonderful a while ago. A small girl saw a young woman of Arab origin wearing a colorful head scarf. The girl pointed at the scarf and said "Mommy, I want a beautiful scarf like that!". The mother was embarassed and went "No, we don't wear them, we're Swedish.". The girl went on for quite a while that she wanted one anyway and that it was beautiful, and she didn't care if they were Swedish or not. Seriously, children are the future, unless the adults manage to screw them up.
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