Coyote killings

[snopes]

Comment: THIS IS NOT A JOKE! The following pictures are EXTREMELY GRAPHIC
and show the wonton killing
of coyotes in West Texas. I'm just "appalled" at this behavior. Reminds
me of Pol Pott and Cambodia
during the killing fields. This person is from Wellsburg West Virginia
and is known as hotrod3h.

These pictures are posted at www.katmasters.com
They were in the public area, but after I posted the information @
www.bigbendchat.com and raised
more than a few eyebrows, they baulked and sealed the information behind a
firewall that only members
can get to. BUT, I got the pictures and text prior to them sealing it
off. The information is still there,
you just have to be a member to get to them. I'm a member, membership is
free.
If you are or become a member, here is the link to it.
http://www.katmasters.com/forum/view...ghlight=coyote

Mind you, I personally have no problem with hunting for hunting's sake,
but I do have a serious problem
with hunting for killings sake. As far as I know, this behavior is
legal.

Here is the text that goes with the pictures.
I was in West Texas last weekend on the coyote hunting trip of a lifetime.
I was looking forward to this trip ever since first seeing Predator
Pursuit 1-3. This is where I first learned about night hunting. I thought
that maybe it was the classic case of a video making something look much
better than it actually is. Boy was I wrong!! Maybe I just hit it right or
something but I thought it was BETTER than expected even with less than
favorable weather conditions.

I arrived at Midland/Odessa airport to a windy day. Then it was off to the
small town of Mentone which was 2 hours. I had been looking forward to
this trip for a year that I had it planned. Guess I was too excited
because I got pulled over for speeding by a Texas state trooper. I thought
what a great start but it was fine once I told him I was going coyote
hunting. He told me that there were a ton of them and he actually hit one
with his cruiser just last week. Anyway just a warning and on my way.

Got to Mentone and met up with my guide. Skeet is a typical Texas guy very
friendly and easy to get along with saying "Yes Sir" alot. Well we go to
the trailer I'll be staying at for the next 3 days and I see Skeet
stopping his truck and getting his gun out. Turns out 2 yotes had run out
in front of the truck but no oppurtunity for a shot. I didn't see them but
what a positive start. I got settled but the wind sure didn't. Just keep
blowing and blowing. We talked and decided that if it was too bad to not
even got out and spoil this good spot that we had to hunt. So I ate dinner
and tried to get some sleep. Got up every few hours to check the wind but
it never laid down and ended up totally missing my first night of hunting.
Next day wasn't much better till much latter in the day around 4. We
finally made a set up that worked. While working the howler on the foxpro
heard several howling back and just when I turned to ask if he heard it I
turn around and see a yote standing 20 yards from decoy and caller.
Trotting trying to get downwind when the 204 goes off. First yote of the
trip. Nice male.

Next set up we call in another yote that comes screaming in to distress
sounds. Came in so fast couldn't get a shot off until he was down wind and
much further out. Not a pretty sight. 2 stands in a row 2 yotes now things
are heating up but night is approaching. So dinner time and off to start
the night shift.

1st stand called in a pair I'll never forget the site of those eyes
bouncing up that little hillside. They come in so fast and there not
stopping. 40 yards in front of the truck I shot them running straight at
the truck. What a rush. You could say I'm hooked!! Different hunting at
night wasn't sure how I'd like it but let's just say I like it alot.
Didn't take pics of the individual yotes. That's the way it went 1 stand 1
yote pretty much all night. Ended up with 2 or 3 dry stands that's it. We
would drive a mile call for 20 minutes. Very effective I think most of the
yotes responded to the howling and most were males. Even had a kit fox
come in on a set up what a bonus.

First day total: 2 yotes during the day. 12 yotes at night plus 1 kit fox.
14 yotes and a fox not bad for the first day/night.

Decide to not even hunt during the day so just work on night hunting for
the last day. First set up resulted in 4 yotes called in but wasn't a good
spot too brushy. Ended up just getting 1. But this night was different
than day before. We were getting multiples like crazy. Best yote set up
resulted in 3 yotes. Best set up called in 3 kit fox and 2 yotes. We
started at 7:30 and by midnight had 10 yotes down. The wind picked up
again and only managed 3 the rest of the night. No telling how many we
could have had if the wind would have stayed down. Some pictures from the
2nd night and the damage 204 does. 2nd night total was 13 yotes and 3 kit
foxes.

Total for 2 nights was 27 coyotes with 4 kit foxes. All but 3 were shot
with the 204. Other 3 were shot with my swift just as something different.
Most of my shots were low and if you shoot low not a pretty site. But I
was really impressed with my 204. Some have good to say about it others
let's just say not so good. That's up to them I know what my 204 does and
as shown in the pictures when bullet is placed right absolutely no fur
damage to speak of.

This was my first trip to West Texas but won't be my last!! Hunting yotes
during the breeding season sure is different and I think great time to be
there. Sure can tell the difference but a hungry yote and love struck
yote. Hope you enjoyed the story and pics as much as I did.

Here are the pics to go with the story.
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[charlie23]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I used to be an avid hunter but always held by the rule that "you only kill what you'll eat". On the other hand it's probably more humane than a slow death by mange or poison that most ranchers in west Texas currently use. As far as the guy's attitude, well, he's a jerk in my book.
Not sure why anyone would consider this faked though...it's been going on for years.

[TrishDaDish]

The following pictures are EXTREMELY GRAPHIC and show the wonton killing of coyotes in West Texas.

Does that mean they use wontons to kill coyotes, or they kill coyotes and use their meat in wontons?

[Lainie]

Originally Posted by TrishDaDish

Does that mean they use wontons to kill coyotes, or they kill coyotes and use their meat in wontons?

Mmmm. Coyote wontons. Them's good eatin'!

[inkrose115]

Originally Posted by Lainie

Mmmm. Coyote wontons. Them's good eatin'!

YOMANK!

Pfft. They want graphic? Grab a video of hyena eating habits. They chase the prey down til it's exausted then eat it alive. Not nice, but then again I don't judge. Nature is one cold lady, and she does what she needs to.

It's a little different with humans though. Since we try to prove we're better then nature, I guess that would require us to hold higher standards and to judge other people?

I'm sorta mixed on this.

[TuFurg]

The person complaining claims that they don't mind "hunting for hunting's sake" but that seems to be just what this is IMO. The guy simply enjoys hunting coyotes.

And the Pol Pott comment was ridiculous- I see no ressemblance whatsoever- the guy isn't even Asian.

[inkrose115]

Originally Posted by TuFurg

The person complaining claims that they don't mind "hunting for hunting's sake" but that seems to be just what this is IMO. The guy simply enjoys hunting coyotes.

And the Pol Pott comment was ridiculous- I see no ressemblance whatsoever- the guy isn't even Asian.

I think both are ridiculous, myself. You don't go out and kill a bunch of yotes just because you can. ues they are a pest animal to some, but he clearly enjoyed doing it. And the hunter might have been out of line, but that's utterly different from Pol Pott. Frankly, that's offensive.

Okay....I've lived in rural Texas ALL my life....and I've never seen this! If you are truly a rural Texan you would be embarrassed by these pictures. I lived on a ranch much of my life and the only time coyotes were killed were if they were a nuisance and by that I mean killing livestock or pets...and yes they were shot and hung on the fence (old myth that it would scare off other coyotes). I'm embarrassed for these people!

[inkrose115]

Originally Posted by CuriousTexan

Okay....I've lived in rural Texas ALL my life....and I've never seen this! If you are truly a rural Texan you would be embarrassed by these pictures. I lived on a ranch much of my life and the only time coyotes were killed were if they were a nuisance and by that I mean killing livestock or pets...and yes they were shot and hung on the fence (old myth that it would scare off other coyotes). I'm embarrassed for these people!

Not to mention some idiot is probably out there using it as an excuse to hate anyone who is from Texas or a rancher, just because teh ebil ranchers love killing the cute little doggie coyotes.

[Fiver]

Originally Posted by snopes

I'm just "appalled" at this behavior.

"Appalled"? Maybe he/she wants to "save" them? Take them to a "better place"? This is just a guess, but I think that this person's up to something sinister.

[Trixie Tang]

Because wolf populations are at zero in most parts of the country, coyote populations are ridiculously high. You don't have to be a rancher or a farmer to consider them a nuisance. I've actually had a couple of dogs killed by coyotes. I'm with a previous poster that this is most likely a better end than being poisoned.

[Ryda Wong, EBfCo.]

Originally Posted by Trixie Tang

Because wolf populations are at zero in most parts of the country, coyote populations are ridiculously high. You don't have to be a rancher or a farmer to consider them a nuisance. I've actually had a couple of dogs killed by coyotes. I'm with a previous poster that this is most likely a better end than being poisoned.

Then the solution is to reintroduce the native predators. Not kill one of the last large predators you have.

Screwing up the ecosystem is not the way to fix the screwed-up ecosystem.

I've often wondered why that's so hard to get for so many people.

[rangerdog]

Its called Wildlife Management. Here in my county, we are over-run with deer so they instituted an urban hunt to control the population. In my state there was a paucity of Bob-White quail a few years ago We had a moratoriam and introduced new quail into our Wildlife Management Areas and gave farmers and land owners new quail. Now they thrive. We did the same with Wild Turkeys east of the blue ridge. They are also abundant. Ryda is correct: It is up to us to manage our wildlife resources.

[Trixie Tang]

Originally Posted by Ryda Wong, EBfCo.

Then the solution is to reintroduce the native predators. Not kill one of the last large predators you have.

Screwing up the ecosystem is not the way to fix the screwed-up ecosystem.

I've often wondered why that's so hard to get for so many people.

You're right. The only permanent solution would be to reintroduce wolves. But that's a long process. It takes time, dedication and money. Until the wolf population can be large enough to keep the coyote population down, what's wrong with thinning the population with hunting?

[Ryda Wong, EBfCo.]

Originally Posted by Trixie Tang

You're right. The only permanent solution would be to reintroduce wolves. But that's a long process. It takes time, dedication and money. Until the wolf population can be large enough to keep the coyote population down, what's wrong with thinning the population with hunting?

Because you're (general you, not you specifically ) going to create yet another imbalance. If you take down the coyotes, what is going to happen to their most common sources of prey (which, frankly, are rabbits, rodent, and the like) ? And how are you going to deal with that surge?

[Trixie Tang]

Trapping and hunting. There already is an overpopulation of deer, rabbits, mice, and whatnot. I understand what you're saying, Ryda. But what are people going to do until more wolves can be reintroduced? Coyotes are much more dangerous than wolves, and for the sake of safety cannot be allowed to over run. I know an increase of deer and rabbits increases toxic feces that can get into our food, but local officials can encourage hunting rabbits and deer. Maybe extend doe days, publish rabbit recipes in local papers, host deer tournaments, etc.

[Ryda Wong, EBfCo.]

Originally Posted by Trixie Tang

Coyotes are much more dangerous than wolves, and for the sake of safety cannot be allowed to over run.

How so?

And, FWIW, I do understand what you are saying about how to manage the prey population for the time being. And I might be better with that if I saw any progress being made on large scale predator reintroduction. However, I don't. All I see is the continuation of the same old thing that screwed us up in the first place.

[Deepfrydegg]

Reintroduction of natural predators is the long term way to go.
I am not the wildlife expert, but I am under the impression that it takes years to get the "natural balance" level. First too many Coyotes, then too few, but too many rabbit/squirrel. These things take time (or careful human management) to get balanced.

Nature will find its own equilibrium. Unfortunately, Human involvement scews things up (raccoons eat trash more than "natural" foods).

Human hunting to "thin the herd" is good in the short term. Doesn't fix the hole in the boat, just pumps the water out.
Long term solutions need to be found and implemented

[Kallah]

Human hunting to "thin the herd" is good in the short term. Doesn't fix the hole in the boat, just pumps the water out.
Long term solutions need to be found and implemented

Short-term solutions buy us the time to implement long-term ones - pumping out the water (using hunting to thin overpopulations) gives you time to find a way to plug the hole (returning natural predators to find balance) in your ship. Pumping out the ship forever rather than plugging the hole would be dangerous and irresponsible, but that doesn’t mean the act of bailing out the water is irresponsible. The hunter is the guy with the bucket, and as long as he keeps doing his job and doesn’t cause needless pain, what’s the harm in letting him enjoy it?

[Ryda Wong, EBfCo.]

Originally Posted by Kallah

The hunter is the guy with the bucket, and as long as he keeps doing his job and doesn’t cause needless pain, what’s the harm in letting him enjoy it?

Well, I'd say that wholesale slaughter = needless pain. And, not to mention, I am so not convinced of the need of the region to slaughter their coyotes. Colo. has tons. Even in downtown Denver. And, frankly, there's no need to shoot em.