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Old 08 May 2008, 07:59 PM
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1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in
1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated
youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - L IAR, he was part of one of the
most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila
Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate
election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in
decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily
Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. According to the
New York Times: "I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith," Ms. Obama,
85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.' Not to mention, Christianity
wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka'
(from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also
Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school,
where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31
years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8. ) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as
Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check
your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could
speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR,
you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even spea k the
language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise)
and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else
on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies. You
seek to disarm America while our avowed enemy, Iran, will not subject
itself to a nuclear ban. Top Hamas politica l adviser Ahmed Yousef said
the Hamas terrorist group 'supports Obama's foreign policy vision'.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite
content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no
mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to
find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did,
exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has
yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never
did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite
saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and
you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU,
but not many others have 130 NO V OTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and
Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON
LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write
it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from
start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your
own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of
your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state
bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the
special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of
a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to
mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic
policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU
voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own
supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR
bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator,
to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government
issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with
them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote
on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of
Israel. You state you will open friendly communication with the Leader
of Iran who is attempting to develop nuclear weapons to destroy us, but
refuse to speak to FOX news. You are against provisions of the Patriot
act which would all wiretapping of the phones of suspected terrorists in
the USA.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead
terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how
you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run
8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the
vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during
small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of
which you didn't write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is
threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped
saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to
eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and
counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own
campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace
issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other
people's words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL
in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote
against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike
Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be
stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan
leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both
companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no
record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you
don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. There is a Cuban
Flag with Che Guevara Displayed at Barack Obama Campaign Office which you
allow to b e displayed. You voted against making english the official
language of the United States. You voted to give illegal aliens social
security benefits, which would bankrupt the social security system for
Americans legally paying into it.

49.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your
wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Rev. Wright and Louis
Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has
received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is
connected to Wal-Mart.
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Old 08 May 2008, 10:57 PM
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1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
Already discussed on the ULRP: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp

How ignorant to think that the civil rights movement in Selma didn't begin until the '65 march.
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4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
Already discussed on the ULRP: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

There's no evidence that Odinga is Obama's cousin, unless you want to take the word of someone who "has created mass violence." There's just as much evidence that I'm Obama's cousin, as long as I say so.

And since when are we our cousins' keepers? Do I get to take credit/blame for everything my cousins have done? I wouldn't mind knowing how to fix Harleys, or owning investment property by age 23, or being a CPA, or an EMT. But I'm none of those things: my cousins are.
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5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. According to the New York Times: "I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith," Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.' Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
The other grandmother, you ignorant asshat, Madelyn Dunham. Don't know about you, but those of us whose parents were not also siblings have two.
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18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
For all eleven years? How can I get a job like that?
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48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin
Neither do I. Neither does my husband, and he's a Republican!
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and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
Inaccurate. He didn't, one time that we know of. Half the country doesn't even know they're supposed to.
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There is a Cuban
Flag with Che Guevara Displayed at Barack Obama Campaign Office which you
allow to b e displayed.
No, there isn't. There was a Cuban flag and a photo of Guevara displayed at a community service center whose people also volunteered for the Obama campaign. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/chavez.asp
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You voted against making english the official language of the United States.
Nope -- see http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...nglishvote.asp
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You voted to give illegal aliens social security benefits, which would bankrupt the social security system for Americans legally paying into it.
Nope -- see http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...alsecurity.asp

*sigh*

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Old 08 May 2008, 11:02 PM
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7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school,where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
He went to school for 31 years!
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Old 08 May 2008, 11:05 PM
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A peculiar set of accusations, surely. They imply both that he is not left enough (war support, health insurance) and that he is not right enough (flag pin, pledge, English as official language).
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Old 08 May 2008, 11:06 PM
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It's so irritating with lists like these that post their scathing rebuttals of totally unsourced claims. Especially when they're along the lines of "You lied when you said..." -- because it seems that 9 times out of 10 the lie is in the claim that the person ever said.

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Old 08 May 2008, 11:07 PM
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A peculiar set of accusations, surely. They imply both that he is not left enough (war support, health insurance) and that he is not right enough (flag pin, pledge, English as official language).
Well, all they really imply is that he's an evil evil evil hypocrite. I'm not sure the ideology itself really matters for this kind of crank.

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Well, all they really imply is that he's an evil evil evil hypocrite.
Didn't take them long to switch that implication from Hillary to Barack. At least he didn't lie about killing people like she did.
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Old 09 May 2008, 12:01 AM
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Well, all they really imply is that he's an evil evil evil hypocrite. I'm not sure the ideology itself really matters for this kind of crank.

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Except that it has to be coming from somewhere, surely? You don't conceive irrational dislikes of politicians without having a political stance of your own, I wouldn't have thought.
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Old 09 May 2008, 12:11 AM
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Except that it has to be coming from somewhere, surely? You don't conceive irrational dislikes of politicians without having a political stance of your own, I wouldn't have thought.
Sorry. You're right, of course. I shouldn't have said that ideology didn't matter. Rather, I meant that the actual nuts and bolts of the ideological position doesn't matter once he's been identified as "the enemy." But once that's established, then all you have to do is show his "evilness" which doesn't necessarily require any ideological consistency. Which is the kind of mind-boggling reasoning that allows someone to condemn Obama simultaneously for having too radical a pastor AND for really being a Muslim.

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Old 09 May 2008, 12:13 AM
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Sorry. You're right, of course. I shouldn't have said that ideology didn't matter. Rather, I meant that the actual nuts and bolts of the ideological position doesn't matter once he's been identified as "the enemy." But once that's established, then all you have to do is show his "evilness" which doesn't necessarily require any ideological consistency. Which is the kind of mind-boggling reasoning that allows someone to condemn Obama simultaneously for having too radical a pastor AND really being a Muslim.

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But...but...his pastor is black! QED.
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Didn't take them long to switch that implication from Hillary to Barack. At least he didn't lie about killing people like she did.
It's his "cousin" who's killing people, and way more than Hillary ever did (wholesale v. retail).

I wonder how many of these people can even find Kenya on a map?

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Old 09 May 2008, 01:05 AM
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13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to
find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did,
exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has
yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never
did, exist.
I couldn't read much farther than this, but has anyone read his book? What articles are these two things referring to?
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15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite
saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and
you are all about having experience first.
So, changing one's mind disqualifies one from public office? No one tell George "useless nation building" Bush that!
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Old 09 May 2008, 01:17 AM
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I couldn't read much farther than this, but has anyone read his book?
Which one? "Dreams From My Father" or "The Audacity of Hope"?

Which is the point, of course. Who is going to bother to read through both books just to argue this point (aside from snopesters, I mean). So the OP can go ahead and impute whatever he wants to the books, because 99% of people can't be bothered to check.

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But...but...his pastor is black! QED.
Don't tell anyone, but I heard a really nasty rumor that not only is his pastor black, but so is he!
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Which one? "Dreams From My Father" or "The Audacity of Hope"?

Which is the point, of course. Who is going to bother to read through both books just to argue this point (aside from snopesters, I mean). So the OP can go ahead and impute whatever he wants to the books, because 99% of people can't be bothered to check.

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Right, I forgot he'd written two. The OP says "book", singular. I was just curious if anyone knew of the top of their head what this was referring to.
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Old 09 May 2008, 04:03 AM
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Well, I've read both books (Dreams From My Father once, and The Audacity of Hope three or four times) and I don't remember any reference to any such articles. I can't swear they aren't there, but if "an article in Ebony inspired him to run for office" I think I would remember that.

I also love how they accuse him of being a Muslim, but then mention that he supposedly got in trouble for making faces in Koranic studies (another item supposedly from his book that I don't remember). Clearly he was taking the religion very seriously at the time...
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Old 09 May 2008, 04:08 AM
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I also love how they accuse him of being a Muslim, but then mention that he supposedly got in trouble for making faces in Koranic studies (another item supposedly from his book that I don't remember). Clearly he was taking the religion very seriously at the time...
Plus, the fact that he once attended a school that offered Islamic religious instruction makes him (then and forever) a Muslim, but the fact that he also attended a school that offered Catholic religious instruction apparently in no way makes him a Catholic.

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Plus, the fact that he once attended a school that offered Islamic religious instruction makes him (then and forever) a Muslim, but the fact that he also attended a school that offered Catholic religious instruction apparently in no way makes him a Catholic.
OMG! He's MUSLIM AND CATHOLIC!!!!11!11!1! Alert John Hagee!
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I also love how they accuse him of being a Muslim....
Like that, in itself, is a crime?

[crazy rant]And don't forget that his middle name is Hussein!!!11!! His name sounds like (Saddam) Hussein Obama (bin Laden). OMG, plus, he's black!!!1!![/crazy rant]
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Old 09 May 2008, 07:24 AM
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I couldn't read much farther than this, but has anyone read his book? What articles are these two things referring to?
I don't remember an Ebony article being mentioned in any of the books, but I remember there was a mention of Obama reading an article in Kenya about some African-American men going through medical procedures to turn white. I don't remember whether that was in Time or Life.

ETA: Besides, he was 9 when he read the article. I think it is understandable that his memory might be a little fuzzy
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