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Old 26 March 2008, 10:55 PM
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I think way back in the mists of time I have shared this before - I've searched but it may have been on the old board.

Apparently mice have no bones (or alternatively no spines). It's how they are so agile and how they squeeze into such small places.

My mother was training a course a couple of years back when someone revealed they had this belief. She felt sorry for the women thinking everyone would think she was an idiot but people actually agreed.

I hadn't thought about it for a while - but I also haven't discussed mice with anyone. On Friday night I stayed at my mother's house and discovered that not only does she have mice but she's had mice inside the sofa bed I was sleeping on. I opened it up and there were mouse droppings under the cushions, and on the sheet folded up inside the bed mechanism.

On Tuesday I was complaining at work about the conditions I had been subjected to and I expressed my amazement that they had been inside a tightly folder bed mechanism.

Apparently it's because they don't have bones.

This was from a colleague who is educated to degree level, and is a thoroughly sensible person who generally doesn't believe rubbish. I was astonished.

I cannot understand how anyone could believe that rats, gerbils, hamsters, etc. have bones but mice are somehow completely different. I cannot get my head around the concept of jelly mice.

Is this really a wide spread belief ? Do other people know people who actually think this is the case ? Has anyone actually encountered a boneless mouse ?

(Will my mother's sofa bed be eaten ? Tune in next week...)

Victoria J
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Old 26 March 2008, 11:02 PM
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Only of the mice have been exposed to one hell of a lot of radiation.

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Old 26 March 2008, 11:06 PM
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Only of the mice have been exposed to one hell of a lot of radiation.
So my mother needs mice traps (humane ones purchased today) and a Geiger counter

I'm so glad someone with authority on this subject poster by the way.

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Old 26 March 2008, 11:14 PM
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So my mother needs mice traps (humane ones purchased today)
Humane my NFBSK! They are cute in a cage or a meadow, but in the house, they and their cousins are nasty disease-carrying vermin and deserve no mercy whatsoever toward eliminating their in-house population!

As for the bones, just listen to a cat or fox eating one (unless they swallow it whole) and you'll hear the bones.

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Old 26 March 2008, 11:29 PM
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As for the bones, just listen to a cat or fox eating one (unless they swallow it whole) and you'll hear the bones.
Or find one that is dead and half decomposed and you'll see them.

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Old 26 March 2008, 11:38 PM
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As for the bones, just listen to a cat or fox eating one (unless they swallow it whole) and you'll hear the bones.
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Or find one that is dead and half decomposed and you'll see them.

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Old 26 March 2008, 11:38 PM
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Humane my NFBSK! They are cute in a cage or a meadow, but in the house, they and their cousins are nasty disease-carrying vermin and deserve no mercy whatsoever toward eliminating their in-house population!

As for the bones, just listen to a cat or fox eating one (unless they swallow it whole) and you'll hear the bones.
Of course, if the cat does swallow one whole, all you have to do is wait until they partially digest it and then yak up the indigestible parts including bones. I call 'em kitty pellets.
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Old 26 March 2008, 11:55 PM
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Two words: owl pellets. I think you should get some and dissect them in front of the naysayers.
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Old 27 March 2008, 12:02 AM
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Humane my NFBSK!
It goes with the vegetarianism...

Though she has reached the point of being pleased one of the cats got one the other day. 3 cats - only one is paying attention (but they are 3 old cats).

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As for the bones, just listen to a cat or fox eating one (unless they swallow it whole) and you'll hear the bones.
I grew up with cats - I've sit bits of mice. I've seen owl pellets. The last mouse I saw was taken away from a cat attacking it and died in my arms (well - in my hand on a hygienic piece of kitchen roll). I've seen many skeletons (quite probably including mice) in natural history museums.

But I don't even see why you need evidence that mice have bones. They're mammals. They have skeletons very like every other mammal, and quite like other related types of creature. I just imagine an image like the evolution of humans diagram with the posture changing. There are rat skeletons, and gerbil skeletons, and rabbit skeletons, and then a little cup of jelly....

In a world where we have the same number of bones in our necks as giraffes because creatures are basically all adapted from each other I just don't understand why anyone would believe that mice had a completely different structure to everything else.

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Old 27 March 2008, 12:04 AM
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Two words: owl pellets. I think you should get some and dissect them in front of the naysayers.
Avoid doing this after the annual owl party - that's when they do eat jelly. And ice cream.

Victoria - did you know voles have no muscles - J
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Old 27 March 2008, 01:12 AM
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I worked with mice for years, so let me add my "me too" to this....
But, like most mammals, when newborn, their bones are still pretty cartilagenous. We'd euthanize our pups at work with a pair of scissors, which would take considerable muscle with an adult.
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Old 27 March 2008, 01:19 AM
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We'd euthanize our pups at work with a pair of scissors, which would take considerable muscle with an adult.
Do you work with animals or is it just a team bulding exercise?
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Old 27 March 2008, 01:33 AM
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I worked with mice for years, so let me add my "me too" to this....
But, like most mammals, when newborn, their bones are still pretty cartilagenous. We'd euthanize our pups at work with a pair of scissors, which would take considerable muscle with an adult.
Is this how you got your screen name?
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Old 27 March 2008, 01:34 AM
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I worked with mice for years, so let me add my "me too" to this....
But, like most mammals, when newborn, their bones are still pretty cartilagenous. We'd euthanize our pups at work with a pair of scissors, which would take considerable muscle with an adult.
Aww Why would you euthanize puppies? I mean I'm sure there's a good reason and I'm not saying you're a bad person but it has to be damn hard to kill a puppy as opposed to like a rat or something....just my opinion.
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Old 27 March 2008, 01:35 AM
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I cannot get my head around the concept of jelly mice.
I've had Gummi Mice before... Not bad, if you like gummi candy.
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Old 27 March 2008, 01:36 AM
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Aww Why would you euthanize puppies? I mean I'm sure there's a good reason and I'm not saying you're a bad person but it has to be damn hard to kill a puppy as opposed to like a rat or something....just my opinion.
Not sure if you're clear on this or not, but "pups" in this case are young mice, not dogs. I don't know if you realize this or not...if you do, my bad.
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Old 27 March 2008, 01:43 AM
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Well don't I just feel like a dumb butt? LoL!
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Old 27 March 2008, 10:26 AM
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Two words: owl pellets. I think you should get some and dissect them in front of the naysayers.
Or Google.
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Old 27 March 2008, 10:40 AM
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If mice had no bones my snake would also lack a skeleton, as that's her main source of calcium.
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Old 27 March 2008, 12:50 PM
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Here is an online owl pellet to dissect.
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