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Comment: I came across this today. I've heard about Ford Pintos exploding my whole life, and was wondering what you knew or could find out about whether it was true.
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Every single time I read this thread title, I think it's going to be about exploding beans.
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Only 27? I wonder if that includes the guy who hit my cousin and her friend. If so, there's three of them.
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Small comfort, but I think the stats refer only to the people in the Pintos, not people who happened to die by hitting them, and this is because someone who rear-ends someone else is "at fault." True, he might not have died had he not hit a Pinto, but he's not technically a Pinto victim.
And the number of deaths probably is low, but just because the word got out quickly, and people took their Pintos off the road, not because there were lots of Pinto rear-endings that were not fatal. |
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At least NO ONE tailgated me when I drove one.
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The OP talks a lot about the hubris of TV networks creating stories by improving the visuals in dishonest ways. That deserves a look on a separate topic. The run-up to the Iraq war which started nearly five years ago is another example of riding the waves to cheap ratings victories three months each year.
However, the Ford Pinto was dangerous. A project of Lee Iaccoca's to take away the VW Bug market, it was meant to sell for $1995 new. And sell, it did. The fact is that fuel tank would be pushed into the four bolts of the differential and potentially break and spark into a fire. A memo written within Ford discussed this problem and decided that spending $4 to put a plate between the tank and the differential would cost more than any possible lawsuits from accidents. TV news did not cause the problem, but burnt victims and this memo from Ford certainly did. There were a number of large (for the time) verdict awards that resulted from Pinto fires. If Ford had countervailing information, then why did they not use it to avoid the cost and the publicity of these lawsuits? Another allegation not dealt with in the OP, a rear end crash could jam the doors, preventing crash victims from exiting the car, burning or not. I have questions about the number of deaths cited as well--thousands did not die, but it seems that in 1991 when this law review article came out--the Maxima was a relatively new Nissan import. How many people had died in fires in Maximas by 1991? Another important irony is that Ford owned the patent on a self-sealing gas tank that would have saved lives. But it would have cost more. At some level, I am amazed by the changes in our discussions of car safety. I myself will never live in a snowy environment and not have ABS brakes, a definite safety advantage. How many of us would not prefer to drive a car with the best safety features? What is prompting the current OP? In the 1980s, the federal government, under Reagan, withdrew from many consumer protection activities, leaving these areas to private trial lawyers and state attorneys general. Al "let's try it again" Infree |
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My boyfriend's mom expresses this in an odd way - she thinks that the larger the car, the safer it will be. I'm not sure if this is something she's worked out consciously or it's an unconscious impulse, but she drives big cars because she's afraid of other drivers and assumes that a bigger car will keep her safer. She never actually checks crash test ratings or anything like that, because she doesn't really understand how cars work, so she doesn't get how a small car could do better in a front crash test, for example. Then again, she's kind of logic impaired in general, but I find that condition is more common then I'd like to believe. |
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Natalie sez:
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Crash test results do show that bigger may be okay, but not always better. Some of the bigger vehicles like SUVs can roll-over--never a good thing in an accident. As I understand it, a lot of big truck and SUVs are now bought by women both because of bigger=safer and bigger offers a larger personal space for personal safety. Ali "safety first" Infree |
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All other things being equal, a bigger car is safer, but all other things are not equal. A 1972 Chevelle, scaled down to be the size of a Geo Metro, with identical safety features, would be unbelievably unsafe, but the Geo Metro was not an unsafe car. I had a front end collision in one, and walked away with just a sprained ankle and a small cut on my forehead (4 stitches). The Geo also got 42 miles to a gallon.
But I know people who buy cars from the 70s, or things like 1984 Ford LTDs on the assumption that bigger is safer. No. Shoulder belts, ABS, and airbags are safer. |
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The Maxima was introduced in 1981, so it'd been around for 10 years.
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My dad drove a Pinto for many years. I remember when this first came out, his dealer sent him a personal letter about it and he went and had the plate put in.
But I did enjoy that people gave us a WWWIIIIIIIIDDEEE berth on the roads! Lady Moon |
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That said, I'm more in line with the ideal that making the drivers safer is a heckuva lot cheaper than making the cars safer. |
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Do you remember that Nixon gave Castro a car to try and improve relations between the US and Cuba? It was a Pinto with Firestone 500 tires.
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My brother used to call Pintos portable cremation units!
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