North American Union

[snopes]

Comment: I've heard rumors going around recently that President Bush,
Mexican President Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Martin met in Waco, TX
in 2005 and outlined a plan for creation of a North American Union (NAU).
In this plan it was (supposedly) outlined that by 2010 the borders between
the three countries would be dissolved and there would only be a common
border surrounding the former countries. Further, the plan called for a
purposeful reduction in the value of the dollar to help facilitate the
creation of a new currency (the Amero) common to the NAU. Also part of the
plan is for the US to give up it's sovereignty. Though not given wide
media coverage there are places you can read about this online (just
Google "North American Union). People who claim this plan is for real cite
the lack of enforcement of US immigration laws and the consistent falling
of the US dollar. Is this real? If so what impact will this have on the
average person, and can I start taking trips up to British Columbia to get
some marijuana?

[snopes]

Comment: Can you advise about the hubbub regarding the North American
Union and the work of the Center for Foreign Affairs as outlined on the
following youtube link?

[Ieuan ab Arthur]

Hi All:

Boy, with the demand for hats from these folks, my tinfoil stocks must be skyrocketing

And with regard to the video - that's just scary!

Ta ra 'wan,

Ieuan "Now I need pills" ab Arthur

[AnglRdr]

Originally Posted by snopes

Comment: I've heard rumors going around recently that President Bush,
Mexican President Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Martin met in Waco, TX
in 2005 and outlined a plan for creation of a North American Union (NAU).
In this plan it was (supposedly) outlined that by 2010 the borders between
the three countries would be dissolved and there would only be a common
border surrounding the former countries. Further, the plan called for a
purposeful reduction in the value of the dollar to help facilitate the
creation of a new currency (the Amero) common to the NAU. Also part of the
plan is for the US to give up it's sovereignty. Though not given wide
media coverage there are places you can read about this online (just
Google "North American Union). People who claim this plan is for real cite
the lack of enforcement of US immigration laws and the consistent falling
of the US dollar. Is this real? If so what impact will this have on the
average person, and can I start taking trips up to British Columbia to get
some marijuana?

Let me guess: from a Ron Paul supporter?

[Cervus]

If so what impact will this have on the
average person, and can I start taking trips up to British Columbia to get
some marijuana?

Wouldn't Mexico have easier access to better pot?

[Stan The Man]

I'm all for it, as long as we start building a wall along the Guatemalan border to keep out the illegal aliens.

[Towknie]

Originally Posted by Cervus

Wouldn't Mexico have easier access to better pot?

Geographically easier for some, but better quality I doubt. Besides, I'd much rather get caught smoking a spliff in British Columbia than in Chihuahua.

[Elbe]

Don't think of it as america losing it's sovereignty but as america annexing it's neighbors for the betterment of all.

[KirkMcD]

Originally Posted by Stan The Man

I'm all for it, as long as we start building a wall along the Guatemalan border to keep out the illegal aliens.

That would be much cheaper. It's a much smaller border then US-MEXICO.

[nancyfancypants]

Like everything else, I'll believe it when I see it.

[AnglRdr]

Originally Posted by nancyfancypants

Like everything else, I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, but by then, it'll be too late. The instructions for your shampoo and your electronic devices will be written in English, naturally, but also French and Spanish. And then what'll you do?

[nancyfancypants]

Originally Posted by AnglRdr

Oh, but by then, it'll be too late. The instructions for your shampoo and your electronic devices will be written in English, naturally, but also French and Spanish. And then what'll you do?

Voy a preguntar dónde encontrar papel higiénico en Canadian Tire en español.

[AnglRdr]

Does that mean "That dirty Canadian Tire will be doing spots in Spanish?"

[nancyfancypants]

It means, "I will as where the toilet paper is at Canadian Tire in Spanish." Deseo 24 rollos, por favor. And then I will pay with Ameros.

[Silas Sparkhammer]

Originally Posted by Stan The Man

I'm all for it, as long as we start building a wall along the Guatemalan border to keep out the illegal aliens.

Although you were, of course, only quipping, it is worth noting that this is one of the most tightly controlled borders in North America. The Mexican government may have no problem with its citizens sneaking out (and no free country should) but it is far more vigilant than the U.S. or Canada about non-citizens sneaking in.

Silas

[Sweeney_Todd]

A dozen or so years ago, I took the VIA rail from Toronto to Vancouver (wonderful trip by the way) Anyway, on the train one day, there was a heated debate about a North American Union. Most of the passengers were Canadians and they were talking about redrawing the dividing line between the US and Canada. A line that runs north/south, making the northeast US and eastern Canada one country and western Canada and the central US and south east a 'T' shaped second country and the western US and part of western Canada a 3rd country. Alaska would be part of the 'T'. being from the US, it was a lot of fun to listen to Canadians debate the new division of North America.

Why stop at North America? Why not combine the entire planet in a single political entity?

We can have a single currency (the globo) so no need to worry about exchange rates. The whole earth will have a minimum wage and assistance to the poor so there will be no need to leave your home and travel thousands of miles for economic opportunity. No off-shoring. There will be no micronation tax shelters for the megarich (sorry Cayman islands), with the exception of outer space.

As long as the global governance is transparent and democratic with strict punishments for undue influence by the affluent, then I welcome it.

I realize that the powerful multinational corporations profit the most because of global anarchy in which they can push around small nations. NAFTA is nifty for the corporate class. Free movemnt of capital but with out free movement of labor.

If Mexicans can move north without the buearocratic road block and thus the choice of many to go around and be illegal then the illegal workers can not be exploited. There's no better employee (for an employer) than one who can be threatened with imprisonment and deportation.

Bush and Fox are pro-business they will not do anything that would cut the profits of their buddies.

[DAnnino]

Well, this isn't going to happen until 2063, when Zefrem Cochrane makes his first warp flight and the Vulcans arrive for first contact.

I've been spending a lot of time on the startrek.com boards, too.

I'll get it...

But it that any less far-fetched than that video?

[nancyfancypants]

So when exactly are the conspiracy theorists saying that this will happen and that the Amero will be rolled out?

[AnglRdr]

Originally Posted by HoneyBunchingOats

Why stop at North America? Why not combine the entire planet in a single political entity?

We can have a single currency (the globo) so no need to worry about exchange rates. The whole earth will have a minimum wage and assistance to the poor so there will be no need to leave your home and travel thousands of miles for economic opportunity. No off-shoring. There will be no micronation tax shelters for the megarich (sorry Cayman islands), with the exception of outer space.

As long as the global governance is transparent and democratic with strict punishments for undue influence by the affluent, then I welcome it.

I realize that the powerful multinational corporations profit the most because of global anarchy in which they can push around small nations. NAFTA is nifty for the corporate class. Free movemnt of capital but with out free movement of labor.

If Mexicans can move north without the buearocratic road block and thus the choice of many to go around and be illegal then the illegal workers can not be exploited. There's no better employee (for an employer) than one who can be threatened with imprisonment and deportation.

Bush and Fox are pro-business they will not do anything that would cut the profits of their buddies.

Oh, you had to get all serious about it! I do agree with you about the NAFTA double-standard, though.

Originally Posted by nancyfancypants

So when exactly are the conspiracy theorists saying that this will happen and that the Amero will be rolled out?

When Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination? Though, if Ron Paul wins, then Liberty Dollars will be the currency of the US.