Huckabee was signer on Anti-Woman SBC Family Statement

[Johnny Slick]

I guess I don't get how anybody could think that they *do* have anything approaching an equal marriage when one partner is supposed to submit to the other when they disagree.

If both want to do something, they do it.
If neither want to do something, they don't do it.
If the husband wants to do something but the wife doesn't, they do it.
If the wife wants to do something but the husband doesn't, they don't do it.

It looks to me that giving the husband the "tiebreaker" vote is exactly the same as letting him make all the decisions.

I have not stated that women are less capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important than males. You can insinuate, assume, take out of context all you want. I think you have not read my post thoroughly or you simply do not have the ability to understand what I’ve written. I am not insinuating that women have to make this choice. Nor, am I insinuating that I made this choice simply because he is a man.

I am not purporting that all women should make the same choice I have. All women and men should be able to make their own choices. Essentially, you are saying that I shouldn’t or it is wrong to for me to have the right to make that choice. You are insinuating that all women should be like you or they’re not as “capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important.”

I have not in any way written or acknowledged that “women are 'less capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important than men.” What I have said is that I love, trust, and respect my husband just as he does for me and that is why my choice works for me and our relationship. What part of that are you unable to understand?

Why is it that you feel justified in attacking me just based on my opinion/choice? Does my choice threaten you personally; Am I stating that you should make the same choice I have? No

By demonstrating your inability to respectfully respond to a post of which you disagree, I think your posts do nothing but illustrate your lack of capability, intelligence, logic, knowledge, and importance.

boots

[Sara@home]

Originally Posted by boots

I have not stated that women are less capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important than males. You can insinuate, assume, take out of context all you want.

Without your answering the question "Do you submit when you know his decision is simply incorrect?", yeah, I'm going to assume that you believe men are more capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important or else why would you submit to all his decisions? My only other choice is that you are a fool because you knowingly choose to submit to incorrect decisions. What else shall I believe? Perhaps that only your husband is never wrong and you are never right, that it isn't universal? What is it I should believe?

I think you have not read my post thoroughly or you simply do not have the ability to understand what I’ve written. I am not insinuating that women have to make this choice. Nor, am I insinuating that I made this choice simply because he is a man.

If not simply because he's a man, then why?

I am not purporting that all women should make the same choice I have. All women and men should be able to make their own choices. Essentially, you are saying that I shouldn’t or it is wrong to for me to have the right to make that choice. You are insinuating that all women should be like you or they’re not as “capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important.”

No, I'm not. Women can be how they want. But don't expect me to respect anyone without regard for the choices they make in life.

I have not in any way written or acknowledged that “women are 'less capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important than men.” What I have said is that I love, trust, and respect my husband just as he does for me and that is why my choice works for me and our relationship. What part of that are you unable to understand?

I get it. You willing choose to live with your husbands's decisions, right or wrong. Keep in mind that good intentions do not equal good decisions.

Why is it that you feel justified in attacking me just based on my opinion/choice? Does my choice threaten you personally; Am I stating that you should make the same choice I have? No

Attack? Me feel threatened?? Like I said, when you ask questions here there's a good chance you're going to get answers you don't like. Not agreeing with you and attacking you are two different things.

By demonstrating your inability to respectfully respond to a post of which you disagree, I think your posts do nothing but illustrate your lack of capability, intelligence, logic, knowledge, and importance.

Now that's attacking me. I made no personal comments about you but you feel perfectly free to make personal comments about me. That's bad form. And, btw, incorrect.

[Dara bhur gCara]

Originally Posted by boots

I have not stated that women are less capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important than males. You can insinuate, assume, take out of context all you want. I think you have not read my post thoroughly or you simply do not have the ability to understand what I’ve written. I am not insinuating that women have to make this choice. Nor, am I insinuating that I made this choice simply because he is a man.

I am not purporting that all women should make the same choice I have. All women and men should be able to make their own choices. Essentially, you are saying that I shouldn’t or it is wrong to for me to have the right to make that choice. You are insinuating that all women should be like you or they’re not as “capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important.”

I have not in any way written or acknowledged that “women are 'less capable, intelligent, logical, knowledgeable, important than men.” What I have said is that I love, trust, and respect my husband just as he does for me and that is why my choice works for me and our relationship. What part of that are you unable to understand?

Why is it that you feel justified in attacking me just based on my opinion/choice? Does my choice threaten you personally; Am I stating that you should make the same choice I have? No

By demonstrating your inability to respectfully respond to a post of which you disagree, I think your posts do nothing but illustrate your lack of capability, intelligence, logic, knowledge, and importance.

boots

First of all, I think it's just super that you've come here to the forum to show us exactly how one conducts oneself respectfully and courteously in debate. Without your respectful and courteous example, I simply don't know where we'd be here. Certainly, I will in future debates make sure that I impugn my opponents' reading comprehension, then seek to demean them further by describing them as in some way incapable of behaving in a civil and respectful manner.

Oh, and another thing: generally, when you're responding to a specific poster (in this specific instance, the person who you think is incapable of logic, reason or common every-day courtesy seems to be Sara@Home) it's a good idea to quote the post to which you're responding, just so you can make it clear to the board exactly who you think is stupid and rude. Otherwise, people will think you just think the board users are stupid and rude in general, which I'm almost certain isn't the case. The easiest way to use the quote post facility is to click the leftmost of the buttons in the bottom-right corner of each post. That's right, the one with "Quote" written on it.

[Silas Sparkhammer]

Originally Posted by boots

. . . I am not purporting that all women should make the same choice I have. All women and men should be able to make their own choices. . . .

And I'm completely okay with that. You've made a personal, individual decision, and no one here has the least objection.

And this is a valid rebuttal to the (perhaps implied) suggestion that no wives should ever take blanket submission as a personal policy. It's as if we had been saying, "No one should use more than four tablespoons of pepper per serving in sauce bearnaise," and you said, "Well, I do it, and I like the results."

What works for you might not work for everyone, and the context of the debate is whether some churches are doing right in putting this forward as a policy which all their members ought to follow.

That your life-style works for you is all but tautological, and no one here has the slightest interest in debating it. But would your life-style work well for the rest of us? We feel very strongly it would not.

Again, I'm quite sure you would not be comfortable in my life-style, and, in fact, my life-style would be quite entirely wrong for the vast majority of humanity. I'm single and childless, to begin with... So, if a thread were opened saying, "No one should be childless," I would respond in disagreement, on both a personal and a policy level. On the other hand, if someone said, "Childlessness is probably wrong for most couples," I would be hard put to disagree.

When people seem to be misreading your posts, the best approach is to try to zero in on the exact point of disagreement. In this case, I think it is on whether your single case should be generalized. Most of us feel it should not; what is your view?

Silas

[Zachary Fizz]

Originally Posted by boots

Why is it that you feel justified in attacking me just based on my opinion/choice? Does my choice threaten you personally; Am I stating that you should make the same choice I have? No

By demonstrating your inability to respectfully respond to a post of which you disagree, I think your posts do nothing but illustrate your lack of capability, intelligence, logic, knowledge, and importance.

boots

Boots, all I see is Sara attacking your opinions, which is what people do on these boards. If you missed it in the FAQ, it's recommended that new posters spend a little while looking around, to get the feel of the place. I'm sorry you have mistaken an earnest and perfectly respectable strong disagreement with you by some posters, for a personal attack.

Of course, your second paragraph really is a personal comment, which is discouraged.

Anyway, I hope that is helpful and we can continue the discussion. What I am interested in is what you would do if you and your husband disagreed very emphatically over something. Would you submit, or compromise in those circumstances?