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Old 30 October 2007, 12:49 AM
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Comment: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

On this article, you do not have to, and most people don't, put their hand
over their heart on the 'Star Spangled Banner.' You put your hand over
your during the 'Pledge of Allegence.' Therefore this article is out in
false tense as most bashing political articles are. Thats all.
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Old 30 October 2007, 02:51 PM
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You put your hand over your during the 'Pledge of Allegence.'
Why does this sound like a bad question from the "Newlywed Game?"

"When you husband says the Pledge of Allegiance, he puts his hand over his ... ?"

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Old 31 October 2007, 02:50 AM
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That would be "In the butt"... ??
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Old 31 October 2007, 07:03 PM
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Comment: Your page needs updating... not exactly correct:

On March 8, 2007, I sent you an email indicating that your page on the
presidential one dollar coins need to be corrected/updated. Coins without
"In God We Trust" WERE released and circulated. While it's true that they
were not DESIGNED to omit the motto, some DID get minted that way. I
notice that your page has not been corrected... credibility is everything to
a site like yours!
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Old 31 October 2007, 07:55 PM
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credibility is everything to a site like yours!
And if you had actually read the article, your credibility wouldn't be down the toilet

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Old 07 November 2007, 12:05 AM
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Icon102 Lincoln's Prophesy -- not spurious after all

Some exhaustive research by Rick Crawford, a computer security expert on the staff of UC Davis computer science dept., turns up multiple sources for the "Lincoln's Prophesy" quote which is currently showing up on Snopes as spurious and/or falsely attributed to Lincoln.

http://www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html

http://seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu/People.html

I'm new here, will someone here please advise how best to get the snopes page fixed?

Thanks,

riverguy

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What Lincoln Foresaw:
Corporations Being "Enthroned" After the Civil War
and Re-Writing the Laws Defining Their Existence

by Rick Crawford, crawford@cs.ucdavis.edu



Here is a sobering quote by Abe Lincoln:

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that
unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of
my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and
an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the
money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its
reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until
all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic
is destroyed."

-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw
(Macmillan, 1950, NY)

Some people expressed doubts about its authenticity, given
Lincoln's work as an attorney for railroad corporations! It was an
interesting job tracking it down and verifying its authenticity.

The first ref I heard for this quote was Jack London's 1908 Iron
Heel. And although the quote indeed appears there (near p. 100),
Jack London offered neither context nor source.

More recently, David Korten's book, When Corporations Rule the
World (1995, Kumarian Press), sources the quote to Harvey
Wasserman (America Born and Reborn, Macmillan, 1983, p. 89-90,
313), who in turn sources it to Paha Sapa Reports, the newspaper
of the Black Hills Alliance, Rapid City, South Dakota, 4 March
1982. But given Wasserman's ties to Howard Zinn, and his status as
co-founder (?) of the Liberation News Service, citing that kind of
trail is like waving a red flag for the skeptics ;-)

Fortunately, after some burrowing in the univ. library, I was able
to confirm its authenticity. Here it is, with more surrounding
context:

"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. . . .
It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes
me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war,
corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places
will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong
its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth
is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."

The passage appears in a letter from Lincoln to (Col.) William F.
Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864.

For a reliable pedigree, cite p. 40 of The Lincoln Encyclopedia,
by Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY). That traces the quote's
lineage to p. 954 of Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait, (Vol. 2) by
Emanuel Hertz (Horace Liveright Inc, 1931, NY).

Based on about 3 hrs of research, it appears Lincoln has been
extensively SANITIZED FOR OUR PROTECTION. The Hidden Lincoln; from
the Letters and Papers of William H. Herndon, by Emanuel Hertz
(Viking Press, 1938, NY), details how Herndon (Lincoln's lifelong
law partner) collected an extensive oral history and aggregated
much of Lincoln's writings into a collection that served as the
basis for many "authoritative" books on Lincoln.

By all accounts, Herndon was scrupulously honest and plainspoken.
Hertz quotes Herndon's characterization of the various "big-name"
authors who relied on his collection for primary source materials:

"They are aiming, first, to do a superb piece of
literary work; second, to make the story WITH THE
CLASSES AS AGAINST THE MASSES. [my emphasis added] It
will result in delineating the real Lincoln about as
well as does a wax figure in the museum."

In several books, I found numerous places where Lincoln spoke
about Capital and Labor ("Workingmen"). Lincoln re-used his own
material frequently, and virtually identical passages appear in
several places. Lincoln praises the moral rightness of both
Capital and Labor, but this is invariably in the context of a
nation where NO MORE THAN ONE MAN IN EIGHT is a Capitalist or a
Laborer, ie, where 7/8 of the population are "self-employed" on
their own farms and homesteads.

This social context of general self-sufficiency would explain how
Lincoln could serve for years as a railroad corporation lawyer
with (apparently) no qualms, yet pen the "corporations enthroned"
passage to Elkins.

A final Lincoln tidbit, although it pertains to one very specific
case:

"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in
concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got
into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to
appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel."

speech to Illinois legislature, Jan. 1837.
See Vol. 1, p. 24 of Lincoln's Complete Works,
ed. by Nicolay and Hay, 1905)

-rick crawford@cs.ucdavis.edu
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Old 08 November 2007, 05:51 PM
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Referred by: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/kinsley.asp

Comment: Regarding Reagan's comment in his diary about George W. Bush:
You now say it is false. What is "checking" on you? The explaination at
the bottem given by Kinsley, finally he admits that he was not there so he
does not know if Reagan said that. Isn't the book of Reagan's diary the
best source for verifying this quote? (Since his wife authorized its
publication?)

I believe going to Kinsley to recontruct history indicates to me his and
Snopes.com right-wing bent? I request you look into this one with more
scrutiny.
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Comment: Regarding the "Fetal Hand Grasp," article.

I've read many of your articles and have been annoyed with the inability
of your authors to be fair and not bias.

Aside from that, I was curious to know, that if the picture is real, but
the description is false, how did the hand come out of the womb in the
first place?

If the mother and child were put under for the operation, who pulled the
hand out? The doctor?
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Old 12 November 2007, 02:48 AM
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Apart from the obvious "if you'd read the article" element of this post, what's with the bit about bias? No description of believed bias, no indication at all what they're talking about, and then the following questions aren't anything to do with a bias!

Weird people.
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Old 13 November 2007, 05:18 PM
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Apart from the obvious "if you'd read the article" element of this post, what's with the bit about bias? No description of believed bias, no indication at all what they're talking about, and then the following questions aren't anything to do with a bias!

Weird people.
Well, by saying that the photo was faaked, snopes was obviously showing his bias against all things Christian and Pro-Life. Just becasue the doctor involved has always freely admited to staging the picture doesn't mean that it didn't happen naturally. snopes is obviously teh debil sent to destroy the moral fiber of America.
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Comment: In regards to " High Flier", about the Texas flag being flown at
the same hight as the US flag, ... ever been to Texas? In 99.9% of the
time you would see the Texas flag on a seperate pole at the same hight as
the US flag, especially at court houses. And , yes, this dates from Texas
being the only independent republic (not "quasi-republic), as your article
puts it, to join the union. I don't know about Federal flag regulations,
but come to Texas and see for yourself.
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Old 22 December 2007, 07:39 AM
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Comment: About the Stamp
Eid Muslim. I don't know how you let someone talk bull shit about muslim.
Muslim people are diffrent then terrorist. They beleve in god which name
is diffrent same as jews beleve in something else. Muslim religion is
similar as catholic religion. They prey to god every day and they go to
mousge too. Religios people not kiling inocent people and Muslim how you
mention in article about stamp are not terrorist. There are terorist who
are kiling inocent people and if they are muslim religios they not beleve
in god or alah. It is something if i said all catholic people atack muslim
people in Irak. That is not true catholic people as muslim people beleve
in god and they not study in bible or kuran to kill inocent people. So who
ever post this bull shit about muslim probably doesn't what is meaning
education and doesn't know about diffrence between terrorist and
religiost. Thank you so much for bull shit about muslim religios.You heart
good muslim people feelings with this too.
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Old 26 December 2007, 02:02 PM
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Comment: About the Stamp
Eid Muslim. I don't know how you let someone talk bull shit about muslim.
Muslim people are diffrent then terrorist. They beleve in god which name
is diffrent same as jews beleve in something else. Muslim religion is
similar as catholic religion. They prey to god every day and they go to
mousge too. Religios people not kiling inocent people and Muslim how you
mention in article about stamp are not terrorist. There are terorist who
are kiling inocent people and if they are muslim religios they not beleve
in god or alah. It is something if i said all catholic people atack muslim
people in Irak. That is not true catholic people as muslim people beleve
in god and they not study in bible or kuran to kill inocent people. So who
ever post this bull shit about muslim probably doesn't what is meaning
education and doesn't know about diffrence between terrorist and
religiost. Thank you so much for bull shit about muslim religios.You heart
good muslim people feelings with this too.
Also a nomination for the "Points Off for Spelling" thread.
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Old 08 January 2008, 04:50 PM
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Comment: I have e-mailed cnn.com public information about you very
un-factual information on Barack Obama. This is very dissapointing to see
how much incorrect information your posting on your website about Barack.
What you don't realize is that sadly many Americans believe every thing
they read, so when you post information about Barack not pledging the
allegience and supposidly have ties with radical muslims, you are being
un-America and sort of racist. Be careful about how you post indformation
on your site.
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Old 08 January 2008, 05:19 PM
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Comment: I have e-mailed cnn.com public information about you very
un-factual information on Barack Obama. This is very dissapointing to see
how much incorrect information your posting on your website about Barack.
What you don't realize is that sadly many Americans believe every thing
they read, so when you post information about Barack not pledging the
allegience and supposidly have ties with radical muslims, you are being
un-America and sort of racist. Be careful about how you post indformation
on your site.
Um, what's CNN going to do about it? Stop using snopes as a reference for their items? We all know that Fox News hasn't used snopes in years....
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Religios people not kiling inocent people
Two words: the Crusades.
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Old 08 January 2008, 11:35 PM
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Comment: You all are very wrong to post such big lie about Obama. You
should post on your web site that his mother was white like us and that
she and Obama's father were separated by the time Obama was two years old.
You should also post that his mother worked in Indonesia while Obama was a
young boy until he was around 10 years old which is why he went to school
in Indonesia with some Muslim children in the first place. That does not
make him a Muslim. His mother is a White American woman and all of his
maternal relatives is white just like you and me. Why are you all so
prejudice? I am going to send this email to C-SPAN, ABC, CBS and Fox to
prove how web sites like yours and people like you are very close minded.
I believe ignorance in America is going to be a place for many citizens to
get a serious rude awakening in this country in the not so distant future.
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You should post on your web site blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.
Yes, but would you actually, y'know, read any of it? Didn't think so.
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Old 09 January 2008, 12:17 AM
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Comment: I have e-mailed cnn.com public information about you very
un-factual information on Barack Obama. This is very dissapointing to see
how much incorrect information your posting on your website about Barack.
What you don't realize is that sadly many Americans believe every thing
they read, so when you post information about Barack not pledging the
allegience
and supposidly have ties with radical muslims, you are being
un-America and sort of racist. Be careful about how you post indformation
on your site.
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I thought was: pledging the legions.
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Does this mean I should stop leading the pigeons, then?
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