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Old 19 January 2007, 09:17 PM
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This picture is circulating through inboxes claiming Fidel Castro is dead. They give several arguments for the veracity of the picture, and claim that the Cuban people are being deceived. The mail is in Spanish and it's long so I won't translate but what do you think? Is the pic real??
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Old 19 January 2007, 09:20 PM
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There are lots of people here who can read Spanish, so you may post the text as it is, if you like.
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Old 19 January 2007, 09:26 PM
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Ok then... here it is...

Es notable que en la foto se observa un rigor mortis de unas 10 a 12 horas. Se nota sobre todo en la boca, posición normal cuando es sellada y puesto algodón. Se observan detalles que harían dudar que sea un montaje:

* Unos 6 a 12 milímetros de barba se observa sobresalido en la vestimenta. Efecto que sería difícil de hacer si fuera montaje.

* El peinado característico, todo hacia atrás. Barba muy cuidada.

* La posición de la cabeza con respecto al cuerpo, la línea que sigue es directa y no tiene desviaciones en el eje.

* La luz permanece inalterada, cosa muy evidente en los montajes.

* No existen gestos en su cara ni señal nerviosa que pueda alterar un músculo facial.

* El vidrio del ataúd se ve reflejado encima de su cara.

Por supuesto, como dicen muchos, hay que verlo para creerlo. Pero, recordemos que este personaje hizo historia, aunque sea mala, a nivel mundial; y es el ícono de los cubanos y del comunismo de antaño, así que dar una noticia así de buenas a primeras sobre su muerte no sería buena idea para los que quedan.

Es posible que pasen vídeos regrabados o grabados previamente, haciendo creer que aún se encuentra en vida.

Es posible que Lula se haya dejado llevar por la emoción del momento sobre el deceso y haya dicho lo que dijo.

Los soviéticos tienen una excelente técnica de embalsamamiento, pudiendo, inclusive, presentar la muerte de Castro luego de varias semanas o meses, y verse como si hubiese muerto recientemente. Stalin es la prueba.

El impacto político mundial sería muy grande para los seguidores socialistas y comunistas. Él era la referencia en base a sus ideologías revolucionarias.

El impacto que podría causar en el pueblo cubano; no hay que negar que Castro tenía sus seguidores, pero igualmente, sus detractores que, quizás por miedo u opresión, no podían hablar ni hacer nada.

En todo caso, es inevitable la muerte.

Inclusive, para los que quieren ser más dioses que el mismo Dios
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Old 19 January 2007, 09:37 PM
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"Castro - dead?"

"Castro is dead."

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Old 19 January 2007, 09:52 PM
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There are thousands of Cuban ex-pats in the States with relatives still in Cuba. My suspicion is that if this were real at all, the people of Cuba would know it in a short amount of time and would be calling their family members. In short, we'd know it by now if this were true. I can't imagine something like this could be real, of course, I've never been to Cuba and I don't know how the people are informed down there.

But another issue is that he just looks like he's sleeping, and if you've ever seen a dead body, you know that the popular myth that a dead person "looks just like they're sleeping" is crap. Facial muscle tone is nonexistent, the eyeballs sink...he'd look different if this were a picture of the dead body.

Just my uninformed opinion.
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Old 19 January 2007, 10:04 PM
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This is just a quick copy/paste from the translator at Dictionary.com. I put in hard returns, and changed "I castrate" to Castro. (I do not pretend to know Spanish.)

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It is remarkable that in the photo a rigor is observed mortis of 10 12 hours. Note mainly in the mouth, normal position when it is sealed and position cotton. Details are observed that would make doubt that it is a assembly:
* About 6 to 12 millimeters of beard are observed excelled in the clothes. Effect that would be difficult to make if assembly outside.
* The characteristic hairdo, everything backwards. Beard very taken care of.
* The position of the head with respect to the body, the line that follows is direct and it does not have deviations in the axis.
* The light remains inalterable, very evident thing in the assemblies.
* Gestures in their face nor nervous signal that do not exist it can alter a face muscle.
* The glass of the coffin is reflected upon its face.

Of course, as they say many, it is necessary to see it to believe it. But, we remember that this personage made history, although is bad, at world-wide level; and he is ícono of the Cubans and the Comunism of long ago, so to notify that good to first on its death it would not be good idea for which they are.
It is possible that they pass rewritten videos or engravings previously, making think that still one is in life.
It is possible that Lula has been let take by the emotion of the moment on the decease and has said what said.
The Soviets have an excellent technique of embalsamamiento, being able, inclusively, to present/display the death of I castrate after several weeks or months, and to see as if he had died recently. Stalin is the test. World-wide the political impact would be very great for the socialist and communist followers.
It was the reference on the basis of his revolutionary ideologies. The impact that could cause in the Cuban town; it is not necessary to deny that Castro had his followers, but also, its detractors that, perhaps by fear either oppression, could not speak nor do nothing.
In any case, the death is inevitable.
Inclusively, for that they want to be more Gods than the same God
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Old 19 January 2007, 10:15 PM
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This is just a quick copy/paste from the translator at Dictionary.com. I put in hard returns, and changed "I castrate" to Castro. (I do not pretend to know Spanish.)

OMG That was hilarious!!!! hahahahahahahahahahaha

In fact, the word "castro" does mean "I castrate"

If I don't feel lazy, I'll translate it and post it.
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Old 19 January 2007, 10:33 PM
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The man in the picture does strongly resemble Castro. There is a dark spot where Castro has a mole. His ears are unusual and seem a good match to Castro's ears.

However, we do not know if the man in the photo is dead although it does seem likely.

I suspect that this is a genuine photo of Castro and he appears to be dead.

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Old 19 January 2007, 10:46 PM
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Ok then... here it is...
Okay...with the help of Babelfish, I'm going to try and translate this. Bear with me, this could take a while...

"It is notable in the photo that you can observe a rigor mortis state of about 10 to 12 hours. You'll notice his mouth is in a normal position for being closed with cotton placed on it. You can see details that would make it doubtful that this is a photo manipulation.

Some 6 to 12 millimeters of beard is visible on his clothing. This effect his hard to do on a photoshop job.

His characteristic hairdo is pulled backward. His beard is well taken-care of.

The position of the head with respect to the body is a straight line with no deviations on its axis.

The light remains unaltered, something obvious on photo alterations.

There are no facial gestures or nervous signals that would alter his facial muscles.

The glass of the coffin is reflected on his face.

Of course, like many say, you have to see it to believe it. But, we remember that this person has made history, although he was bad, on a worldwide level; he is an icon of the Cubans and of the communism of long ago, so to notify everyone of his death will not be a good idea for those who remain.

It's possible that they are passing around rewritten videos and tapes made earlier to make people believe that they are seeing him currently alive.

It's possible that Lula has been caught up in the emotion of the moment about the death and that she did what was done.

The Soviets have an excellent technique of embalming, and they can, among other things, present the death of Castro over various weeks or months, and let us see that his death was recent. Stalin was the test.

The worldwide political impact was great for the followers of socialism and communism. He was the reference point and base for revolutionary ideologies.

The impact this will cause in the Cuban village; it is irrefutable that Castro had his followers, but equally, his detractors, who, possibly from fear and oppresion, were not able to say or do anything.

In all cases, death is inevitable.

That includes those who want to be more god than the one God."

WHEW! That wasn't easy!
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Old 20 January 2007, 12:48 AM
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So who is Lula?
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Old 20 January 2007, 01:22 AM
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So who is Lula?
I think it might be Luis Inacio "Lula" da Silva, the president of Brazil, who has known Castro for some 20 years.

He had planned to visit Cuba, and Castro, last week, after attending Ortega's inauguration in Nicaragua. But he canceled the trip, presumably because of Castro's ailing health/already being dead, delete as appropriate.
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Old 20 January 2007, 10:11 AM
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If this were a well-guarded piece of knowledge, wouldn't the people become suspicious of Castro not making any public appearances? I suppose he is ill, but I just had the most strange mental image of Castro rigged with wires, like a large marionette creation.
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Old 20 January 2007, 11:08 AM
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If this were a well-guarded piece of knowledge, wouldn't the people become suspicious of Castro not making any public appearances? I suppose he is ill, but I just had the most strange mental image of Castro rigged with wires, like a large marionette creation.
Castro hasn't made any public appearances since last June has he?
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Old 20 January 2007, 03:36 PM
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This picture is circulating through inboxes claiming Fidel Castro is dead. They give several arguments for the veracity of the picture, and claim that the Cuban people are being deceived. The mail is in Spanish and it's long so I won't translate but what do you think? Is the pic real??
The fact that you got it in an email kinda leaves suspicion as to the authenticity of this. If it were a real picture, it would have been sold to a newspaper of magazine for big bucks, don't you think?
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Old 21 January 2007, 12:53 AM
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If he was Russian, he'd have been reported as having pneumonia.
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Old 21 January 2007, 01:11 AM
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He has been reported as having been ill. There was some controversy about just how ill, though.

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...3cd813&k=15319

It appears that the US officials believe he is suffering from inoperable cancer and is near death.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/st...129e4d&k=16233
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Old 21 January 2007, 05:33 PM
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Yesterday the BBC was reporting that sources from Cuba say that Castro is 'fighting for his life'. (Typical BBC being cagey.)

BBC: Venezuelan President says Castro is gravely ill.
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Old 21 January 2007, 05:59 PM
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I would not expect info to come from citizens of Cuba, necessarily. It would be likely, however, that the US would find out (through spies or other channels). It would be widely reported here, I think. In this day and age, even in places like Cuba, it would be very hard to keep something like this a secret.

This reminds me a bit of rumors that were going around before the death of the Pope.
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Old 22 January 2007, 12:29 AM
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I just had the most strange mental image of Castro rigged with wires, like a large marionette creation.

Weekend at Fidel's?
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Old 22 January 2007, 02:58 AM
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Es posible que pasen vídeos regrabados o grabados previamente, haciendo creer que aún se encuentra en vida.
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It's possible that they are passing around rewritten videos and tapes made earlier to make people believe that they are seeing him currently alive.
[translation nitpick]
Wouldn't this be something like "videos rerecorded or previously recorded" ? (I mean, it's not "videos and tapes".)
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