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Old 11 July 2007, 05:07 AM
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United States No battleships in the U.S. Navy

Comment: As a retired Navy man i won a few bar bets on the following:
Rumor is there are NO battleships active in the US Navy. This is wrong.
The USS ARIZONA is still a commissioned ship. It is, however, sitting on
the bottom of Pearl Harbor. But colors are held every day. And it is
still on the list of active Navy ships.
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Old 11 July 2007, 05:15 AM
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Not "decommissioned", but "struck from the register":

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Placed "in ordinary" at Pearl Harbor on 29 December 1941, Arizona was struck from the Naval Vessel Register on 1 December 1942
Whatever that means. Definitely not "in service".
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Old 11 July 2007, 06:43 AM
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The term "in ordinary" is naval jargon for "mothballed". Ships in ordinary can sometimes be recalled to active status. However, in the case of the Arizona, I doubt that will ever happen.
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The term "in ordinary" is naval jargon for "mothballed". Ships in ordinary can sometimes be recalled to active status. However, in the case of the Arizona, I doubt that will ever happen.
I doubt it, but old, sunken battleships have been recalled before
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Old 11 July 2007, 07:29 PM
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The term "in ordinary" is naval jargon for "mothballed". Ships in ordinary can sometimes be recalled to active status. However, in the case of the Arizona, I doubt that will ever happen.
You never can tell. Remember the Yamato!

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Old 11 July 2007, 08:08 PM
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http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/BB39.htm

The USS Arizona was officially decommissioned in 1962. It is a memorial only and is not considered an active vessel in any form.
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Old 13 July 2007, 05:41 AM
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Comment: As a retired Navy man i won a few bar bets on the following:
It seems like someone owes their mates a lot of drinks back.
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Old 13 July 2007, 06:43 AM
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This comes up regularly on sci.military.naval (where I hang out for work-related matters). The talk there is of frigates, carriers etc. When a newbie mentions "battleships" the military guys yell "Aaaagh!!!" On subsequent offences they come down on him like a ton of bricks for his ignorance.
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Old 14 July 2007, 02:20 AM
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What is the status and rating of the USS Constitution?
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Old 14 July 2007, 02:49 AM
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What is the status and rating of the USS Constitution?
It's still in commission, but it's a frigate, not a battleship (nor whatever the 19th century equivalent of what a battleship was -- ship-of-the-line, maybe?).

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Old 14 July 2007, 03:56 AM
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The USS Arizona isn't on the Navy's list of active ships:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../shipalfa.html

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It's still in commission, but it's a frigate, not a battleship (nor whatever the 19th century equivalent of what a battleship was -- ship-of-the-line, maybe?).
This is why newbies on the naval newsgroup are laughed at so much. They use "battleship" to mean any armed military vessel.
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And every TV reporter ever made. If I hear one more call a destroyer a battleship, I'm .. going ... to e-mail snopes.
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And every TV reporter ever made. If I hear one more call a destroyer a battleship, I'm .. going ... to e-mail snopes.
Corvettes, carriers, destroyers, frigates ... but not battleships!

I have a standing instruction to my parents to take photos of every military vessel they see when on their cruises. I obscure any obvious ident and set it as a picture poser to sci.military.naval
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So at the risk of getting laughed at, what broadly speaking is the difference between different classes of warship? Is it displacement, weaponary, something else?

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So at the risk of getting laughed at, what broadly speaking the difference between different classes of warship? Is id displacement, weaponary, something else?
IIRC, size, armament, and purpose are all factors in what type a ship is called. Although with missile replacing heavy guns, smaller vessels can now unleash a temendous amount of firepower. The old Missouri class battleships of WWII would probably be easy pickings for one of today's light cruisers.
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So at the risk of getting laughed at, what broadly speaking the difference between different classes of warship? Is id displacement, weaponary, something else?
Originally, classes were defined by role, displacement, and weaponry. Some classes are obvious, such as submarines and aircraft carriers (although a modern amphibious assault ship may look an awful lot like a small aircraft carrier). A battleship was the largest, most heavily armored and armed surface combat vessel whose main function was to destroy other warships. For moderrn surface vessels smaller than battleships, there were a number of classes including cruisers, destroyers, frigates, corvettes, and others, which are briefly described in this wikipedia article. These had various roles such as anti-submarine, anti-aircraft, surface warfare, and land attack. Nowadays the lines between classes have become blurred, and many ships have multiple roles, so the class names are not as descriptive as they used to be. ISTM that the trend in the US Navy is to call any largish ocean-going general-purpose surface warship a "destroyer."

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Old 16 July 2007, 09:51 PM
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So at the risk of getting laughed at, what broadly speaking is the difference between different classes of warship? Is it displacement, weaponary, something else?
Google for Royal Navy to find their definitions and a lovely photo library
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The old Missouri class battleships
Originally posted by DemonWolf:

Just to quibble a little, there is no Missouri class--that would be Iowa.

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IIRC, size, armament, and purpose are all factors in what type a ship is called. Although with missile replacing heavy guns, smaller vessels can now unleash a temendous amount of firepower. The old Missouri class battleships of WWII would probably be easy pickings for one of today's light cruisers.
Given that the Iowa's during their service life were fitted with the missile systems and modern radar, and were also heavily armoured against much larger warheads than you find in a modern missile, I suspect your light cruiser would be toast From what I have read, I suspect they were retired more due to the cost to keep such a large vessel running with such a large crew rather than combat effectiveness. I have talked to a few Aussie troops who wish there was still a chance to be able to call on a Battleship with 16" guns for fire support though.

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