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Old 08 February 2013, 09:41 PM
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Mexican authorities say a 9-year-old girl has given birth in western Mexico and they are looking for the purported father, a 17-year-old.

http://www.chron.com/news/nation-wor...th-4259233.php
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Old 08 February 2013, 10:10 PM
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It doesn't contain a link back to snopes.com, but: Nine-year-old Mexican girl sterilised after birth 'seems to be 15'.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._at_least.html

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All those breathless reports last week of a 9-year-old girl giving birth in Mexico were wrong: The mother is at least 12 or 13 (according to authorities), and possibly as old as 15 (according to a government doctor). But while that reality may be less headline-ready it's not actually any happier: The child-mother apparently wasn't impregnated by her 17-year-old "boyfriend" as was initially thought but instead by her 44-year-old stepfather.
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Old 15 February 2013, 02:36 PM
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Yeah, that's much more common and much more depressing.
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This prompted me (and, I assume, many other Snopesters) to visit the ULRP page about the 5-year-old Peruvian girl who gave birth. In that instance, they believed that her father had sired the child, but were unable to prove it.
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"Sired the child"? You mean "raped his daughter", surely.
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Old 15 February 2013, 03:54 PM
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The child-mother apparently wasn't impregnated by her 17-year-old "boyfriend" as was initially thought but instead by her 44-year-old stepfather.
Oh good for a minute there I thought this story was going to be weird and creepy. Sarcasm more than implied.
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Old 15 February 2013, 09:51 PM
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"Sired the child"? You mean "raped his daughter", surely.
Rape means that the victim did not give (meaningful) consent as defined under the law. The article says that they initially charged father with incest. The choice of charges suggests to me that his action, as heinous as we find it, did not meet the legal definition of rape in that jurisdiction. In any case, I was focusing on the result of the action rather than the action itself.
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Old 15 February 2013, 10:07 PM
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How can a child that young give meaningful consent to her father? She was 5 year old! What would it be other than rape?
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^This x1000
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Old 16 February 2013, 05:59 PM
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Of course it's rape, whether legally or not. I said "sired the child" because his actions would not have come to light otherwise.
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How can a child that young give meaningful consent to her father? She was 5 year old! What would it be other than rape?
The third link strongly suggests that (in the OP case) the young woman in question is considerably older than nine, but due to inaccuracies in documentation, no one can pin down her age for sure. It could be a case of pressing the incest charges (which seem like they should be pretty cut-and-dry) rather than risk pressing the rape charges, and having someone "prove" that she's at least the age of consent - at least one government doctor agreed that she was much closer to 15 than 9.

Of course, is it very much still rape regardless of what label they slap on it.
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Can't they do both? Admittedly my knowledge of the legal system is from Law and Order episodes but it doesn't seem uncommon to have multiple charges but only found guilty of some no?
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Can't they do both? Admittedly my knowledge of the legal system is from Law and Order episodes but it doesn't seem uncommon to have multiple charges but only found guilty of some no?
It depends on how those crimes are defined. In the U.S. and probably in Mexico too, you can't be charged with two crimes if one is a lesser included offense of the other; for example, you can't be charged with both the murder and the attempted murder of the same person, since the act necessarily entailed the attempt. It could be that incest covers rape or vice versa.
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Old 19 February 2013, 08:34 PM
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This prompted me (and, I assume, many other Snopesters) to visit the ULRP page about the 5-year-old Peruvian girl who gave birth. In that instance, they believed that her father had sired the child, but were unable to prove it.
I missed this one. How does a 5 year old have a menstrual cycle?
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Precocious Puberty

To have started cycles at age 3 or 3 1/2 is way, way early.
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Old 19 February 2013, 09:23 PM
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Wow. I knew girls were going into puberty earlier but I didn't know that early was even possible.
Totally apart from how heinous the whole thing is.
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