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Old 10 January 2019, 02:56 AM
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Thank you, Mouse. I was trying to remember the name of the place.
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Old 13 January 2019, 03:12 AM
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It’s still not quite the same as the concept of Galt’s Gulch, seeing as Von Ormy was a small, working class community, not something started by a bunch of CEOs throwing a hissy fit. Probably the Galt’s Gulch Chile comes the closest, though even it’s probably an imperfect example.

I still stand by my post about how it would pretty much all go to shit pretty fast. If any writer wants to adopt my Reverse Atlas Shrugged plot bunny and take it on, I’ll be okay with it, though I would like to see the final version. Think of it more like a farce than anything else.

Of course for all the bluster, they, like the Men Going Their Own Way, will never just shut-up and go. They’re basically a six-year-old whining and pouting about how they’re going to run away, then they’ll go to Hollywood and become all rich and famous and you’ll be sorry.
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Old 13 January 2019, 06:24 PM
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That's because the CEOs and other people who already are rich don't want a Randian society. They want to have all the benefits of police, fire departments, roads, and all those other things, plus plenty of poor people around to perform cheap labor for them. If they went off to a community where everyone was rich, they'd have nobody to compare themselves to.
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Old 18 January 2019, 04:05 AM
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I wonder if we can end the shutdown by convincing Trump that we’ve already built the wall. Take the Emperor’s New Clothes approach and claim that we built it out of some super strong plexiglass that’s practically invisible. For bonus points, we have a few people of Hispanic/Latino heritage mime like they’ve run into a wall and go, “Ai-yi-yi! We can’t get our illegal drugs and guns through. Trump’s wall is just too mighty and strong!”

It might be a strategy worth resorting to. Everyone has said the wall wouldn’t work, people have revealed that just about anyone could saw through the bars on the thing, and border communities have basically said we don’t want or need this wall, but Trump’s not going to be content until he has a massive shrine representing his bigotry. You’d think maybe the camps he’s thrown migrant children into out of sheer petty cruelty would be enough, but maybe they just lack that certain je ne sais quoi that a wall would provide.
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Old 18 January 2019, 04:22 PM
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Maybe we can just build a wall around Trump Tower.
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Old 18 January 2019, 05:09 PM
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I wonder if we can end the shutdown by convincing Trump that we’ve already built the wall.
On a similar note, I had the idea that somebody should propose a bill the funds sensible border security measures using border security personal and modern technology but also including funds and language dealing with DREAMERS and the backlog in the immigration courts. Then give the bill the acronym "W.A.L.L".

I've had no luck with the creativity to imagine with that might actually be.
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On a similar note, I had the idea that somebody should propose a bill the funds sensible border security measures using border security personal and modern technology but also including funds and language dealing with DREAMERS and the backlog in the immigration courts. Then give the bill the acronym "W.A.L.L".

I've had no luck with the creativity to imagine with that might actually be.
World-access to America Limiting Legislation?
or
We All Lose by Limiting immigration excessively?
or more to the point:
We All Lose a Lot if we build a real wall.

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That's because the CEOs and other people who already are rich don't want a Randian society. They want to have all the benefits of police, fire departments, roads, and all those other things, plus plenty of poor people around to perform cheap labor for them.
This jibes with what a friend of mine used to say: Libertarians are people who are convinced they would be rich, if the government weren't stealing their money. Those who actually manage to get rich, turn into conservatives.
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"John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

Also attributed to Will Rogers and Woody Guthrie.
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But George Washington once said, "If ever socialism should take hold in America, that will be the end of America and all that the good Christian men of the revolution fought for."

And you know it’s true because he could not tell a lie. QED.
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Old 21 January 2019, 03:45 AM
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This jibes with what a friend of mine used to say: Libertarians are people who are convinced they would be rich, if the government weren't stealing their money. Those who actually manage to get rich, turn into conservatives.
My experience with Libertarians is that they’re Republicans who like to smoke pot. They’re okay with the GOP’s racism, sexism, militarism, and their desire to interfere with the private lives of its citizens via persecution of LGBT citizens and intervening in private medical matters, but they like to smoke pot. And no matter how much they may insist that they are totally different from the GOP, talk to most Libertarians and their views tend to be in lockstep with the GOP.
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