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Old 29 April 2009, 11:22 PM
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Old 29 April 2009, 11:23 PM
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Comment: Is it true there is human tissue in the flu virus? Is this an
engineered flu?

Please see below. I received this letter in an e-mail today.

'This is getting worse. I am sure you heard the report from the CDC that
they fully expect deaths in the US from this new strain of flu.
Personally, I am very angry that the government is refusing to acknowledge
that this strain of flu, despite the name 'swine flu', is a totally
unnknow virus. And I do mean totally unknown. It has components of the
swine flu, yes, but never before has been there been a flu virus with
human tissue in it! This information was released the first day or two
but since that time I have seen little to no mention of that fact again.
This is an engineered virus and we should all be very, very careful.'

Thank you for your time.
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Old 30 April 2009, 12:01 AM
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I would say somewhat true.

Yes the swine flu is diffent and new strain. Like as influenza viruses, it is constanly changing. So every year there is new strains of the flu. So this is nothing diffent than what has been happing since there were the first influenza viruses.

People die every year from the flu, about 60K of them. Why should the swine flu be any diffent in that people will die. The question should be, how many more are expected to die.

The swine flu transfer back and forth between human, pigs and bird by swaping genes. This maybe were the human tissue came from. If it was engineered it was done by the flu viruses it self.

As I understand it, swine flu does not spread well between humans, through human to human contact. It spreads through human to pig and back and you have to have to be in close contact with living pigs.
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Old 30 April 2009, 12:50 AM
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Comment: Is it true there is human tissue in the flu virus? Is this an
engineered flu?
Well, I heard that Rush Limbaugh arranged to have this flu created in order to cause a pandemic, which will cause the global economy to collapse, which will cause Obama to fail!

No? Okay, I heard that Cheney engineered it to distract attention from the whole torture thing.



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Comment: Microsoft employee claims that Microsoft sent out 80,000 emails
to employees to stock up and be prepared to stay home due to possible
nation wide quarentines due to the swine flu. This employee is in San
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Old 30 April 2009, 01:46 AM
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Comment: Is it true there is human tissue in the flu virus? Is this an
engineered flu?

Please see below. I received this letter in an e-mail today.

'This is getting worse. I am sure you heard the report from the CDC that
they fully expect deaths in the US from this new strain of flu.
Personally, I am very angry that the government is refusing to acknowledge
that this strain of flu, despite the name 'swine flu', is a totally
unnknow virus. And I do mean totally unknown. It has components of the
swine flu, yes, but never before has been there been a flu virus with
human tissue in it! This information was released the first day or two
but since that time I have seen little to no mention of that fact again.
This is an engineered virus and we should all be very, very careful.'

Thank you for your time.
Not human tissue, human [influenza] genes, and no one is being quiet about it. Of course, the CDC is not forwarding it to you in an email. Let me find an article.
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The new virus has genes from North American swine influenza, avian influenza, human influenza and a form of swine influenza normally found in Asia and Europe, said Nancy Cox, chief of the CDC's Influenza Division.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/28/swine.flu.mexico/

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How many swine flu viruses are there?
Like all influenza viruses, swine flu viruses change constantly. Pigs can be infected by avian influenza and human influenza viruses as well as swine influenza viruses. When influenza viruses from different species infect pigs, the viruses can reassort (i.e. swap genes) and new viruses that are a mix of swine, human and/or avian influenza viruses can emerge. Over the years, different variations of swine flu viruses have emerged. At this time, there are four main influenza type A virus subtypes that have been isolated in pigs: H1N1, H1N2, H3N2, and H3N1. However, most of the recently isolated influenza viruses from pigs have been H1N1 viruses.
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm

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Old 30 April 2009, 02:51 AM
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And no, it is not transferred from swine to humans. It is transferred from human to human just like other flus. (?splelling)
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Old 30 April 2009, 03:16 AM
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And no, it is not transferred from swine to humans. It is transferred from human to human just like other flus. (?splelling)
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm

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How does swine flu spread?

Influenza viruses can be directly transmitted from pigs to people and from people to pigs. Human infection with flu viruses from pigs are most likely to occur when people are in close proximity to infected pigs, such as in pig barns and livestock exhibits housing pigs at fairs. Human-to-human transmission of swine flu can also occur. This is thought to occur in the same way as seasonal flu occurs in people, which is mainly person-to-person transmission through coughing or sneezing of people infected with the influenza virus. People may become infected by touching something with flu viruses on it and then touching their mouth or nose.
From reading the rest of the article it does not look like it spreads human to human easily. It does happen though.
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From reading the rest of the article it does not look like it spreads human to human easily. It does happen though.
If you look at the last updated date, the page ythat you linked to is a bit old. This is a more recent one

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Is this swine flu virus contagious?
CDC has determined that this swine influenza A (H1N1) virus is contagious and is spreading from human to human. However, at this time, it is not known how easily the virus spreads between people.
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Old 30 April 2009, 05:08 PM
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Comment: heard that fat people are immune to the swine flu virus-is this
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In case it is true, then I am protected.

Regarding the other things, while I am in no way advanced in medicine, the viruses always adapt, so there would be need for more information as to what extent is this virus unknown.

How much did it changed.
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Old 30 April 2009, 07:18 PM
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I have heard that the news reporting agencies are reporting all CASES as DEATHS, ..

On the news last night they reported 250 deaths worldwide... while the WHO website itself lists 257 cases . My SO is convinced 25 THOUSAND people have it based on something she heard on the news..

This is just getting out of hand.. even after showing her the WHO website she just commented that they must not have updated it yet, and that it is proof that this virus is going to get us all..
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Old 30 April 2009, 08:31 PM
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From what I can tell, there are about 250 cases of laboratory confirmed A(H!N!) flu. There may be many more, but because it is manifesting as a relatively mild flu in many instances, no one has bothered to confirm the strain. It may well 'get us all', but it will be no worse than any other type of flu since it seems to have burned out the particularly virulent form while crossing borders.
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Old 30 April 2009, 08:37 PM
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I have heard that the news reporting agencies are reporting all CASES as DEATHS, ..

On the news last night they reported 250 deaths worldwide... while the WHO website itself lists 257 cases . My SO is convinced 25 THOUSAND people have it based on something she heard on the news..
The WHO reports only Laboratory confirmed cases reported to them by the countries. 7 deaths in mexico, and 1 death in the US have been confirmed.

However, an additional 161 deaths in mexico are blamed on the strain.
Mexico didn't have the facilities needed to confirm tests (The cases in mexico were originally confirmed by labs in Canada)

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This is just getting out of hand.. even after showing her the WHO website she just commented that they must not have updated it yet, and that it is proof that this virus is going to get us all..
25,000 would make a fatality rate of ~0.68%.

The flu is not too virulent, even at its extreme: The Spanish Flu had an estimated 2-5% mortalitly rate.

Your SO should be assumed to be right about 25000 people having it at least. If anything it should be alot more than that.
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Old 30 April 2009, 08:39 PM
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I was sick with all the symptom of a flu a little more than a week ago. Being I was at a convention with people many parts of the country their is a good chance I could have gotten it there.

Since I did not go into the doctors and even then he most likely would not have sent it into a lab to be tested. Without sample of what ever they would take from me being sent into a lab and test. I could not be verified as having had the swine flu. If I was sick enough to end up in a hospital then I'm sure the would have done some more testing as to what was ailing me.

So while there may only 257 confirmed cases. Many thousands of people could easily have had or have swine flu, but because they test for it they are not confirmed cases. There is no reason to waste money to confirm if someone had it or not if they only need couple of aspirin and a couple of day off from work to sleep.
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I felt like I was hit by a train yesterday (symptoms started on Tuesday) and was really, really conflicted about whether or not I should go get tested. The biggest determining factor for me was that I don't have insurance and can't afford a doctor/ER visit, especially to find out that it's just people flu. Oh, and if the test were to involved a needle entering my body in any way I probably would have chosen to take my chances with the swine flu anyway. I'm feeling a lot better today, but was feeling really paranoid yesterday. What if it was swine flu and I could have prevented dying from overwhelming my immune system if I had just gone and got the antiviral? I don't think there are any reported cases up here yet, although I believe some cases were reported in Grand Rapids (about 2 hours south).
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Comment: I have received this e-mail from 2 people today. Just wondering
if the source/claims are true?

Subj: Flu info from Dr. Gitterle



Dr. Marcus Gitterle, M.D. 600 N Union Ave
Christus Santa Rosa Hospital - New Braunfels
New Braunfels, TX 78130
Specialties

Family Practice

Emergency Medicine


After I returned from a public health meeting yesterday with community
leade rs and school officials in Comal County and Hays County, Heather
suggested I send an update to my patients in the area, because what we are
hearing privately from the CDC and Health Department is different from
what you are hearing in the media. Some of you know some of this, but I
will just list what facts I know.

- The virus is infectious for about 2 days prior to symptom onset

- Virus spreads more than 7 days after symptom onset (possibly as long
as 9 days) (this is more unusual than ordinary flu)

- Since it is such a novel (new) virus, there is no "herd immunity,"
so the "attack rate" is very high. This is the percentage of people who
come down with a virus if exposed. Almost everyone who is exposed to this
virus will become infected, though not all will be symptomatic. That is
much higher than seasonal flu, which averages 10-15%. The "clinical attack
rate" estimation from CDC and WHO may be around 40-50%. This is the number
of people who show symptoms. This is a huge number. It is hard to convey
the seriousness of this to those outside of the medical fields.

- The virulence (deadliness) of this virus is as bad here as in
Mexico, and there are folks on ventilators here in the US, right now. This
has not been in the media, but a 23 month old in Houston is fighting for
his life, and a pregnant woman just south of San Antonio is fighting for
her life. In Mexico, these folks might have died already, but here in the
US, folks are getting Tamiflu or Relenza quickly, and we have ready access
to ventilators. What this means is that within a couple of weeks, regional
hospitals will likely become overwhelmed.

- Some of the kids with positive cases in Comal County have had more
than 70 contacts before diagnosis as a minimum figure.

- There are 10-25 times more actual cases (not "possible" cases --
actual), than what is being reported in the media. The way they fudge on
reporting this is that it takes 3 days to get the confirmatory nod from
the CDC on a given viral culture, but based on epidemiological grounds, we
know that there are more than 10 cases for each "confirmed" case right
now.

- During the night, we crossed the threshold for the definition of a
WHO, Phase 6 global20pandemic. This has not happened in any of our
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lifetimes so far. We are in uncharted territory.

- They are advising President Obama to declare an emergency sometime
in the next 72-96 hours. This may not happen, but if it doesn't, I will be
surprised. When this happens, all public gathering will be cancelled for
10 days minimum.

- I suggest all of us avoid public gatherings. Outdoor activities are
not as likely to lead to infection. It is contained areas and close
contact that are the biggest risk.

- Tamiflu is running out. There is a national stockpile, but it will
have to be carefully managed for law enforcement and first responders as
it is not enough to treat the likely number of infections when this is
full-blown. I don't think there is a big supply of Relenza, but I do not
know those numbers. If I had to choose, I would take Relenza, as I think
it gets more drug to the affected tissue than Tamiflu.

- You should avoid going to the ER if you think you have been exposed
or are symptomatic. ER's south of here are becoming overwhelmed today--
and I mean that -- already. It is coming in waves, but the waves are
getting bigger.

- It appears that this flu produces a distinctive "hoarseness" in many
victims. The symptoms, in general, match other flu's; namely, sore throat,
body aches, headache, cough, and fever. What is not too common in regular
flu cycles is vomiting and diarrhea which seems to be associated with
this, further dehydrating victims. Some have all these symptoms, while
others may have only one or two.

- N-Acetyl-Cysteine -- a nutritional supplement available at the
health food store or Wimberley Pharmacy, has been shown to prevent or
lessen the severity of influenza. I suggest 1200mg, twice a day for
adults, and 600mg twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get
kids under 12 to take it, but you could try opening the capsules and
putting it on yogurt. For 40 pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for
less than 40 pounds, half that.

- Oscillococinum, a homeopathic remedy, has been vindicated as quite
effective in a large clinical trial in Europe, with an H1N1 variant. You
can buy this at Hill Country Natural Foods, or the Wimberley Pharmacy.


I will try to keep everyone posted if I have any new information.
Meanwhile, don't be afraid, stay informed and try to avoid infection. The
fewer people infected the easier it will be for our public officials to
manage it.
If any of my patients become ill, or suspect infection, call the
office, do not come without calling and DO NOT go to the ER. If one
member in a family is identified all would be given the Tamiflu or Relenza
(that is normal course of action) if there is enough distributed to fill
prescriptions. Public health stated that one family member identified or
suspected to have contracted the flu it will require the whole family to
be 'quarantined' in their own home until enough time has passed for the
remaining household to have contracted it or be considered infection free
( 7 to 10 days per person). As another suggestion, if any member of the
family is on routine medication- fill those prescriptions now. Have plenty
fluids, Motrin, soups, etc available and make contingency plans in case
your family is affected.
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- The virus is infectious for about 2 days prior to symptom onset
Typical of most viruses.

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- During the night, we crossed the threshold for the definition of a
WHO, Phase 6 global20pandemic. This has not happened in any of our
Sound scary, but here is the definition of phase 5 and 6 pandemic. It has to do with how far it has spread, not how dangerous the virus is.

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Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short.

Phase 6, the pandemic phase, is characterized by community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way.
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Old 30 April 2009, 11:04 PM
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The LA Times has an article where scientists think that the swine flu is milder than the regular flu that usually goes around.
http://www.latimes.com/features/heal...,3606923.story
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Comment: Thought everyone might be able to use this information. We have been
using HP as a mouthwash / gargle for sometime but this is the first time I
have seen it linked to flu. I will definitely use as a gargle if I get a
sore throat.


CURE FOR ALL TYPES OF FLU

Howdy all,

FLU PREVENTION

The flu virus has a weak spot that I discovered twenty years ago. During
the first ten minutes after it invades your body it is multiplying by the
millions on the surface of your throat. If left undisturbed it will cross
into your bloodstream and make you ill.

The extermination of the flu virus is cheap and simple. During the first
ten minutes of a sore throat you must gargle with hydrogen peroxide. Keep
a small bottle of it at work, in your car, and of course in your home. To
overcome the bad taste it leaves in your mouth use a good tasting
mouthwash to rinse your mouth after you gargle.

The virus will repeat the attack as long as you are in the contaminated
environment. When the sore throat comes back, simply gargle again. A few
flu viruses will make it into your body. They will be killed by your
immune system and help that system respond to future infections.

This is being sent at this time because of the deadly swine flu outbreak.
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Thought you had the virus in your system a few days before and symptoms showed up. Now we learn from expert with no name and references that the first 10 minutes you have a sore throat is when the virus is trying to invade you body.
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