Women delivering newspapers shot in manhunt for ex-cop

[musicgeek]

The latest I've heard says that "charred remains" believed to be Dorner have been found, but it may take some time for a positive ID to be made by forensic specialists.

[E. Q. Taft]

USA Today is reporting that Dorner's wallet was found in the cabin.

[Beachlife!]

CBS has this footage of the firefight which happened before the fire. Did they not know who was in the cabin when they opened fire?

Shocking Footage Of Dorner Firefight

[Lainie]

I'm sure it's procedure to wait for forensic ID before officially stating that they know it was Dorner.

[Little Pink Pill]

The Guardian is reporting that police were overheard on scanners discussing a plan for "burners," and a youtube video appears to record them calling to burn the cabin down.

[Beachlife!]

Maybe it means something different in law enforcement, but a 'burner' is either a disposable cell phone or gun. Listening to the radio chatter, it sounds like they are talking to a sniper.

[BoKu]

Originally Posted by E. Q. Taft

USA Today is reporting that Dorner's wallet was found in the cabin.

I have seen Facebook posts that contrast that with earlier reports that Dorner's wallet and ID cards were found at a US-Mexico border entry point:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12...lp-fleeing-to/

Of course, there is likely a good explanation that reconciles the two accounts. But it looks like it is already starting to churn up the conspiracy theory grist mill.

[E. Q. Taft]

I would note that earlier reports I had seen about his wallet being found in San Diego said it contained "ID's" and I think one report said it had his LAPD badge (do you get to keep those when you're dismissed? I wouldn't think so. In movies and on TV, whenever a cop gets suspended, they make him turn in his badge and gun, and while cop shows are hardly reliable guides to reality....) None of them that I saw specifically mentioned his driver's license. It might have contained, for example, the military ID he had allegedly used to try to get on the Point Loma Navy Base.

Although why he would ditch those and keep his driver's license is a mystery to me. It's not like he could use it for anything.

Then again, I had wondered if the wallet in San Diego might have been a deliberate attempt to confuse the trail. For that matter, before the standoff, I wasn't necessarily convinced he'd ever gone to Big Bear. There are reports that police are seeking at least one possible accomplice -- someone else might have driven the truck to Big Bear and set it on fire, then fled.

There's a lot we still don't know. I would have preferred he'd been caught alive, but it always seemed pretty unlikely. At least, if this is him, he won't be attacking anyone else.

[LadyLockeout]

The Badge, as I understand it, is different from the ID, one being a card, the other being a metal shield.

[mags]

The moment they cornered him, he was dead. By his own hand, or by confronting gunpower larger than his own, he wasn't just going to give himself up and go quietly. Before the fire started I suggested to my husband it was likely he would set the place on fire, either in a fit of pique, as a suicidal gesture, or to try to escape in the confusion.

[Little Pink Pill]

Originally Posted by Beachlife!

Maybe it means something different in law enforcement, but a 'burner' is either a disposable cell phone or gun.

An unfortunate euphemism, under the circumstances.

[Beachlife!]

According to this article:
Tied-up mother and daughter key to ending manhunt:

...McMahon said police did not intentionally set the cabin ablaze, but the pyrotechnic tear gas canisters — commonly referred to as “burners,” he said — generate a high level of heat. It was when police began using the pyrotechnic canisters to flush out the suspect that the fire began.

[crescent]

Originally Posted by Beachlife!

According to this article:
Tied-up mother and daughter key to ending manhunt:

From what I recall, tear gas canisters were also thought (by some) to have ignited the fire at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco.

[erwins]

Originally Posted by Beachlife!

CBS has this footage of the firefight which happened before the fire. Did they not know who was in the cabin when they opened fire?

Shocking Footage Of Dorner Firefight

Beach, can you tell who is firing in the video? I can hear gunfire, and I see the deputies moving and holding weapons, but I don't think from that video that I could see any law enforcement firing.

[ASL]

It's also largely without context (the video). We have no idea if/for how long shots were being fired prior to the start of the video. It's a data point, but not much else.

[Beachlife!]

Now that I look again, you are right, there is the sound of what is presumably gun fire, but it doesn't appear to be coming from any of the law enforcement people on camera.

Early on, you can see someone throw what appears to be either a smoke or tear gas canister towards the building. But, that is all you can see in the way of action.

[Beachlife!]

There is a video in the NBC News article I posted with a press conference. In that conference they state that Dorner opened fire, but they did not return fire.

They also indicate that they used a cold tear gas canister first and when that didn't seem to be effective they used the 'burner' which was pyrotechnic.

[Wintermute]

Originally Posted by Beachlife!

According to this article:
Tied-up mother and daughter key to ending manhunt:

That is correct in old usage. I have not heard them called burners since Waco. At least other places I know stopped using the term since it Waco. If you have ever seen one they shoot out flames like a smoke grenade.

[E. Q. Taft]

Officials say that the burned remains found in a Big Bear Lake cabin have been positively identified as fugitive former police officer Christopher Dorner.

A San Bernardino County sheriff-coroner spokeswoman said Thursday the identification was made through Dorner's dental records. She did not give the cause of death.

http://www.10news.com/news/christoph...ins-identified