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Old 21 August 2008, 12:04 PM
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Default Buffalo Soldier was inspired by Banana Splits theme

Nice page from BBC on whether Marley's "Buffalo Soldier" was inspired by the Banana Splits theme tune. I've put it here as it counts as UL debunking.

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But while the Banana Splits came onto the scene in 1968 as hosts of The Banana Splits Adventure Hour, Bob Marley & the Wailers' Buffalo Soldier did not appear until the posthumous release of Confrontation in 1983. So did NBC's costumed rock band [...] influence one of the greatest reggae artists of all time [...]?

According to the Bob Marley Foundation in Jamaica, the reggae legend would probably never have heard of the Banana Splits, let alone be inspired by them.
The musical score is compared and is very similar.

BBC article here.

I can't say I'd really noticed the similarity, but that's probably because the only version of the Tra-La-La song I'm familiar with is the Dickies' speeded up version. As a kid I saw the Banana Splits but I would only watch the cartoon parts of the show because the hybrid-mutant costume critters freaked me out (I wouldn't even watch the screen while they were on). Actually, they still freak me out.
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Old 21 August 2008, 12:52 PM
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As a kid I saw the Banana Splits but I would only watch the cartoon parts of the show because the hybrid-mutant costume critters freaked me out (I wouldn't even watch the screen while they were on). Actually, they still freak me out.
Me too, in fact the weird actually made me feel queasy as I tried to get my head round wtf was going on - the mad jingle just made matters worse, and the ropey colour made me think these were indeed messages from another planet, not just the USA
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Old 21 August 2008, 03:23 PM
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As soon as I saw the thread title, I heard the connection in my head.
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Old 21 August 2008, 09:20 PM
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There's no reason to believe that Marley couldn't have heard the theme music. He traveled to the UK numerous times, and toured in the US. I can't imagine he'd go out of his way to see the show, but it's certainly possible that he might have. When I was a kid in California in the seventies, the syndicated show was on frequently.

There are numerous examples of Jamaican musicians incorporating nursery rhymes, folk songs, American soul and RnB tunes etc.

Peter Tosh's "Downpresser Man" is an arrangement of "Oh Sinner Man."

Michigan and Smiley incorporate "Mary quite contrary..." into their tune "Rub A Dub Style".

Also, many Jamaican songs were rerecorded in similar or radically different versions, often without any attribution or credit. I'm not critiquing this, just pointing out the standards of the time.

There's no way to be certain, of course, but my personal opinion is that Bob Marley heard that theme and incorporated what he liked about it into his own composition.
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Old 21 August 2008, 09:21 PM
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Two earworms for the price of one.
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Old 21 August 2008, 09:28 PM
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I mentioned this in the Banana Splits thread:
http://www.beachbumparadise.com/bob-...banana-splits/
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Old 22 August 2008, 06:24 AM
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Banana Slits - initials B.S.
Buffalo Soldier - initials B.S.

It's a code!
Or maybe just B.S.?
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I think I'd heard the similarity before but would have assumed that the Banana Splits theme nabbed it from Bob Marley - I didn't realise theirs was the older tune.

Still, though, "plagiarism"? When exactly did minor 'borrowing', accidental or otherwise, become such a huge issue in creative terms? I blame US intellectual property laws... (I read the second part of this column earlier and it reminded me of similar thoughts. "Plagiarism" seems so strictly defined and to be taken so seriously in the USA, academically at least, that it must have a stifling effect on creativity...)
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Or maybe just B.S.?
BS Johnson?
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because the hybrid-mutant costume critters freaked me out (I wouldn't even watch the screen while they were on). Actually, they still freak me out.

You too huh? I could never figure out what kind of critters they were supposed to be.
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You too huh? I could never figure out what kind of critters they were supposed to be.
Banana Splits poster

Clockwise from top: Elephant, dog, lion, gorilla.
At least, that was always my take.
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Banana Splits poster

Clockwise from top: Elephant, dog, lion, gorilla.
At least, that was always my take.
Sorry, I am not even going to look because they still freak me out somewhat.
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Sorry, I am not even going to look because they still freak me out somewhat.
Wimp!
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Somewhere, we still have a Banana Splits cereal bowl with the heads of all the characters on them, and we have viewmaster reels of the show. I guess they didn't freak out me & my brother, but you knew we were weird.

Oh yeah, and seconding Tarquin - thanks for the double earworm!
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Banana Slits - initials B.S.
No, really - tell us how you really feel about the show!
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Back when the Banana Splits show was on TV--from 1968 to 1970--someone wrote to a teen magazine that she had heard from an acquaintance that the 4 Banana Splits characters were played by the Monkees. The Monkees TV show had been cancelled early in '68 so Mickey Dolenez, Davy Jones, Mike Nesmith and Peter Tork supposedly found new jobs--as the Banana Splits!

I don't think it was true though.


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