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Old 26 August 2009, 05:47 PM
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Comment: Several website list this photograph as Detroit. The skyline looks likely, but the slum in front looks more like a composite of the edge of a Brazilian city with the modern Detroit skyline. Is this photo legitimate? Iíve only been to Detroit once, and while I wanted to kill myself after driving through, I donít remember it being this bad.

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Old 26 August 2009, 06:08 PM
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I don't know what the foreground is from, but it definitely is nothing in Detroit. Michigan never (at least in the past hundred years) allowed such tin-sheet building and shantytown assemblages. Also very few people living in such shacks could not survive Michigan winters. Detroit's slums and rundown neighborhoods are concrete or stone apartments, small frame houses, etc. They would probably be good for gentrification, if Detroit was an attractive place to move back into. Also, I am pretty sure that Detroit's slum areas are MUCH closer to the city itself than this shows - out this far from downtown Detroit, the economy might be weak, but IIRC the neighborhoods are still generally pleasant suburbs.

ETA - Detroit also seems to have developed a custom of the poor kids setting buildings on fire near Halloween - despite the tin construction there is enough wood, cloth, and other combustibles in the foreground slum that a fire would race through it like, er, wildfire)
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Old 26 August 2009, 06:10 PM
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IDetroit's slums and rundown neighborhoods are concrete or stone apartments, small frame houses, etc.
Plenty of brick, too, IIRC.
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Old 26 August 2009, 06:16 PM
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I think the palm trees are the dead giveaway...
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Old 26 August 2009, 06:35 PM
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I think the skyline is Manaus, Brazil.
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Old 26 August 2009, 07:40 PM
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...ETA - Detroit also seems to have developed a custom of the poor kids setting buildings on fire near Halloween - despite the tin construction there is enough wood, cloth, and other combustibles in the foreground slum that a fire would race through it like, er, wildfire)
Actually Detroit has developed out of that custom in the last decade, Devil's Night.

If that were Detroit in the background, the foreground would likely be Canada.
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Old 26 August 2009, 07:42 PM
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That really doesn't look like the Detroit skyline. I've been through some of the less-affluent areas in Detroit, as well, and they weren't like that. It's not an area that developed as a slum. It was a nicer area that has degraded over time, so the style of construction is what you would see in a typical US urban area.
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Old 26 August 2009, 07:50 PM
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It reminds me of this picture of Soweto in South Africa (Linked from a 'District 9' article, of course)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soweto_township.jpg

Of course, that's just the buildings themselves, and sadly, they could be from many places in the world.
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If that were Detroit in the background, the foreground would likely be Canada.
Oh, well, in that case, never mind - the photo's probably accurate.
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Old 26 August 2009, 08:15 PM
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While this picture is from 1942, I'd imagine the road is still there. The other side of the skyline would be water, I think--most of what came up in a Google image search was of the water and skyscrapers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...yline_1942.jpg
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Even "cold hardy" palm trees can't survive below -10F. Does Detroit get that cold? Also, repeated bouts of cold weather would stunt palm tree growth. So they may be very old, very hardy palm trees or it's not Detroit.
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Even "cold hardy" palm trees can't survive below -10F. Does Detroit get that cold? Also, repeated bouts of cold weather would stunt palm tree growth. So they may be very old, very hardy palm trees or it's not Detroit.
Yes, every winter.
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Even "cold hardy" palm trees can't survive below -10F. Does Detroit get that cold?
Yes. 567891
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Yes, every winter.
So palm trees that robust support the "not Detroit" theory.

ETA: Those appear to be Mexican Fan palms which really do not handle cold weather well. They usually start to die off around 18F.

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While this picture is from 1942, I'd imagine the road is still there. The other side of the skyline would be water, I think--most of what came up in a Google image search was of the water and skyscrapers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...yline_1942.jpg
Slight hijack but that's an excellent photograph.

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I think the skyline is Manaus, Brazil.
Googling Manaus in images doesn't seem to show such a developed centre, although it's hard to tell. (Most of the images show the port.)

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl...gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

This image of downtown would surely show those skyscrapers if they were in Manaus, and it doesn't.

I don't think you're right about the exact location, but it could certainly be pretty much any large city in a tropical developing country on the right terrain. Jakarta would look a bit like that if you were some distance from the centre too. (It's not Jakarta either; Jakarta is much larger - just saying.)
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So palm trees that robust support the "not Detroit" theory.

ETA: Those appear to be Mexican Fan palms which really do not handle cold weather well. They usually start to die off around 18F.
That and the fact that it's definitely not the Detroit skyline.

Plus, Detroit has a lot of old derelict buildings and houses. Homeless would live in these long before building a favela. Shantys such as those pictured would never survive the weather. Which is probably why don't generally see such settlements in cold climates.
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As Beachlife just said, Detroit is one of the least likely places in the U.S. to see that. With so many empty houses and half the population of a generation ago, why the heck would anyone be squatting in shanties? It's probably got the cheapest housing of any major city in the U.S. right now.

The picture looks exactly like I remember Manila, but I can't find the right picture to match. Richard is probably right that it could be anywhere in the developing world.
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Old 27 August 2009, 12:52 AM
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I think it's favela Morumbi, in Sao Paulo, Brazil:

S„o Paulo: favela
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Old 27 August 2009, 01:16 AM
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Sorry last post was wrong.

It's definitely Manilla's financial district, Makati:

About halfway down the page...
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