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Old 22 November 2018, 08:09 AM
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Read This! How populist are you?

I put this here instead of Fun House since it involves politics.
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Populism is upending global politics, forcing many of us to grapple with what the concept means. Answer the questions below to find out how populist you are - and how you compare with leaders such as Donald Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng...t-are-you-quiz

The quiz said I was most similar to Bernie Sanders, putting me just to the left of him on the graph. And the quiz said I was least similar to Donald Trump. Both points are accurate. I'm curious how accurate (or not) it is for others.

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Old 22 November 2018, 11:11 AM
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I'm most similar to Pablo Iglesias and least to the Cheeto.
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Old 22 November 2018, 02:28 PM
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S'mai bawb:

Quiz says: non-populist left most similar to Barack Obama (though truth to tell, there's a fair bit of space between where I ended up on the honeycomb and where Mr. Obama is).

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Old 22 November 2018, 02:45 PM
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Quiz says: non-populist left most similar to Barack Obama (though truth to tell, there's a fair bit of space between where I ended up on the honeycomb and where Mr. Obama is).
Sounds about where I was. (Although slightly less populist and quite a bit leftier than he is, by those measures). He was the closest, anyway. I was expecting to be closer to Bernie Sanders myself, but that's perhaps because I think of the left / right part as being more important than populism. I'm closer to Sanders on that axis.

I saw this yesterday but this thread only just inspired me to finish the quiz...
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Old 22 November 2018, 03:40 PM
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I'm most similar to Pablo Iglesias and least to the Cheeto.
Same here. Down right above the populist non-populist line, so far off that way, but one honeycomb off of the same on left/right.
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Old 22 November 2018, 03:45 PM
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I come out somewhat to the left of Obama, but along the same vertical.

I checked the option halfway in the middle for several questions for which my answer was really 'it depends on how you define that, and I doubt I'd define it the same way you are.'

I note that the darker circles indicating "more answers" also clump somewhat to the left of Obama, and in or near the upper left quadrant. I don't know whether that indicates their readership, a greater tendency of people on the left by those criteria to take the quiz, or a genuine tendency in that direction.

ETA: I'm not sure how accurate I think that is for me, because I'm not sure how they're defining their terms. But it might be about right. From my point of view Obama is a centrist, not a leftist, for what that's worth.
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Old 22 November 2018, 04:20 PM
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Left of Bernie, which is not a surprise to me.

I did find the wording on a couple of questions to be too vague.
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Old 22 November 2018, 06:02 PM
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I too found some of the questions too vague.

Also I'm somewhat amused by the idea of populism as a concept which people are forced to grapple with the meaning of, even though the quiz puts forth that populism is the belief that governments should listen to 'the people' over special interest groups, and frames the difference between right and left-wing populism as being just a matter of one's political leanings outside of that position. This would indicate that populism isn't an ism at all, but just a position on a particular issue. Then it asks if you agree or disagree with socialism, as if we all agree on what that means and there isn't a great deal of in-fighting there.

It also leaves out the important question of whether one believes the government is controlled by corporate greed or The Jews.
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Old 22 November 2018, 06:07 PM
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I'm left of AMLO!

Yeah...

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Old 22 November 2018, 06:09 PM
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The orange thing really isn't on the right. First because he doesn't have any real beliefs. He just spouts what he thinks his supporters want to hear. Next, because every one knows he is the center of the universe.
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Old 22 November 2018, 07:42 PM
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I'm a bit less populist than Obama, but much leftier. Least like Trump. I'm about even with Sanders, on leftness, but this partly explains why he was not at all appealing to me. They also didn't ask about the areas where I'm least in agreement with him.

This is an interesting way of looking at things. I've wondered at times is I'm a lot more moderate than I think. But this is exactly where I would think I'd be. Not populist, but solidly left.
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Old 22 November 2018, 08:13 PM
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Also I'm somewhat amused by the idea of populism as a concept which people are forced to grapple with the meaning of, even though the quiz puts forth that populism is the belief that governments should listen to 'the people' over special interest groups
Does anybody actually disagree with that, though?

The disagreement generally seems to me to be over who, exactly, is 'the people' and who's a 'special interest group'.

Even people who will admit to thinking that the government should only listen to some specific sort of elite won't IME call that elite a 'special interest group'. They tend to say they're in favor of 'meritocracy', if they say anything more technical than 'people who I think are stupid/who I think aren't Real Americans™*/who I think aren't the right race or religion/ shouldn't vote.'

[*ETA: fill in nationality of your choice, there.]

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It also leaves out the important question of whether one believes the government is controlled by corporate greed or The Jews.
Indeed. Some of those questions might easily have been answered as strong agreement by people in drastically different parts of the spectrum.
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Old 22 November 2018, 08:25 PM
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Indeed. Some of those questions might easily have been answered as strong agreement by people in drastically different parts of the spectrum.
Well yes, but that's the "populist" axis as opposed to the "left / right" axis. The basic premise of the graph is that those two things are independent variables!
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Old 22 November 2018, 09:36 PM
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I'm left of AMLO!

Yeah...

Me too!

…now to look up AMLO’s policies…
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Old 22 November 2018, 11:23 PM
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The orange thing really isn't on the right. First because he doesn't have any real beliefs. He just spouts what he thinks his supporters want to hear. Next, because every one knows he is the center of the universe.
It may be that his beliefs are fairly maleable, but you do have to hold him responsible for his policies, which are definitely right wing.

As for populism, he is certainly rhetorically quite populist. I'm not sure that his policies are that populist. I think he's more demagogue than populist. I don't think you can seriously say that Trump caters to special interests/an elite far less than Obama did.

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I too found some of the questions too vague.

Also I'm somewhat amused by the idea of populism as a concept which people are forced to grapple with the meaning of, even though the quiz puts forth that populism is the belief that governments should listen to 'the people' over special interest groups, and frames the difference between right and left-wing populism as being just a matter of one's political leanings outside of that position. This would indicate that populism isn't an ism at all, but just a position on a particular issue. Then it asks if you agree or disagree with socialism, as if we all agree on what that means and there isn't a great deal of in-fighting there.
One theory described in the Wikipedia article on populism calls populism a "thin" ideology, which can be combined with "thick" ideologies, so it is left/right
independent but is still an ideology. My understanding of the concept is along those lines, but there are other views of it.
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Old 23 November 2018, 12:23 AM
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Does anybody actually disagree with that, though?

The disagreement generally seems to me to be over who, exactly, is 'the people' and who's a 'special interest group'.

Even people who will admit to thinking that the government should only listen to some specific sort of elite won't IME call that elite a 'special interest group'. They tend to say they're in favor of 'meritocracy', if they say anything more technical than 'people who I think are stupid/who I think aren't Real Americans™*/who I think aren't the right race or religion/ shouldn't vote.'

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Good point. Seems I misread the situation.
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Old 23 November 2018, 12:47 AM
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One theory described in the Wikipedia article on populism calls populism a "thin" ideology, which can be combined with "thick" ideologies, so it is left/right
independent but is still an ideology. My understanding of the concept is along those lines, but there are other views of it.
That's interesting, and probably a more substantial way of looking at it.
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Old 23 November 2018, 01:02 AM
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It may be that his beliefs are fairly maleable, but you do have to hold him responsible for his policies, which are definitely right wing.

As for populism, he is certainly rhetorically quite populist. I'm not sure that his policies are that populist. I think he's more demagogue than populist. I don't think you can seriously say that Trump caters to special interests/an elite far less than Obama did.
Well, as an engineer, I should know not to argue with a lawyer. And I agree his actions are right wing. He is a demagogue.

His tariffs are populist but not Republican in the traditional sense. There is one special interest the orange thing caters to and that is himself.
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Old 23 November 2018, 03:16 AM
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The disagreement generally seems to me to be over who, exactly, is 'the people' and who's a 'special interest group'.
Then hear me as I speak for the will of the people. Hear me as I speak for the oppressed.

For years now, we have been engaged in a war for the very heart of our nation. A war, not just of words and ideals, but increasingly of arms. Yes, I say, arms!

Even as we are keen to live in harmony with our neighbors, our will alone—that is to say our will absent the force of action—is no longer sufficient to keep the dogs at bay.

Let us not be taken in by the modern tendency towards compromise and submission. To submit to the Tyranny of wicked men goes agains everything we stand for.

I put the question to you, my fair-minded friends, my "middle America", what shall we call those who would suffer the tyrants to tarnish our proud democratic traditions, to undermine our very constition?

I say we should call them traitors! Traitors against democracy, conspiring against the will of the people in the name of compromise.

Does one compromise the foundations of a work of art?

Of liberty?

No, I say, no!

Let us, then, answer the call to action—as surely as we all are men and women born to action—and save our great nation. Let the weak lie as they may, but let us, the strong and fair-minded among us, make the nation's will once more a grand reflection of the people's will, a people united towards freedom.

To do anything less, is moral cowardice of the highest order.

There, I think I hit 'em all.
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I got a hexagon directly adjacent to Obama and I'm good with that.
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