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Old 21 September 2017, 03:19 AM
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No ‘He Can’t Hear You!’: Deaf Man Shot Dead by Oklahoma City Police

‘He Can’t Hear You!’: Deaf Man Shot Dead by Oklahoma City Police as Neighbors Scream in Horror


A deaf man carrying a metal pipe was fatally shot by Oklahoma City police on Tuesday night as neighbors frantically tried to tell officers that he couldn't hear their commands.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...horror-n803031
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Old 21 September 2017, 03:37 AM
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From the story, it sounds like be was advancing on officers who had their guns drawn and possibly pointed at him. Pretty sure being deaf wouldn't be enough to explain that type of behavior.
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Old 21 September 2017, 06:55 AM
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No, but being developmentally disabled would, which some neighbors have described him as.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/art...d-12214688.php

He also didn't speak and relied on gestures to communicate, so waving his pipe around and coming at them in the dark might have been a frustrated but innocent attempt to explain himself.
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Old 21 September 2017, 07:51 AM
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There's also a question of what the lighting was like. If he was under a street light or other bright area and the officers were in a darker spot, it's likely he couldn't see them well.
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Old 21 September 2017, 03:21 PM
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About the "tunnel vision" problem mentioned in one of the articles, which may have prevented the officer from hearing the neighbors shouting: this sounds like a hazard to the officers also -- what if the shouting had been an attempt to warn them of an actual shooter coming up behind them, for instance?

Is it possible to train people to avoid this reflex? If so, had the officer in question had such training?
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Old 21 September 2017, 07:46 PM
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The New York Times article says "While people continued to scream, the first officer fired his Taser at Mr. Sanchez, while the second fired his handgun, the police said."

The timing there seems like an issue to me. If they fired at the same time, you would have to question why the second officer didn't wait to see the results of the tasing prior to firing. On the other hand, if the taser struck and the man kept coming, firing his gun is more understandable.

(It's also quite possible, since the second officer arrived on the scene while the confrontation was in progress, he wasn't aware the first officer had a taser or was about to use it.)
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Old 21 September 2017, 08:04 PM
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About the "tunnel vision" problem mentioned in one of the articles.......

Is it possible to train people to avoid this reflex? If so, had the officer in question had such training?
It is a physiological response (one of many) to high stress situations. You can train to reduce these reactions by regularly exposing an officer to stressful situations, usually in the form of senario based training. This teaches officers how to manage stressful situations and midigate the effects of the stress on them but these are involuntary reactions so you cannot completely eliminate them.

Regarding the timing of one officer using a taser and one his firearm it's quite possible that they made independent decisions about their use of force which they happen to deploy at the same time. I think it's highly unlikely that the officer shooting his gun knew that the other officer was firing his taser at that same time otherwise he would have waited.
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Old 21 September 2017, 08:32 PM
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Regarding the timing of one officer using a taser and one his firearm it's quite possible that they made independent decisions about their use of force which they happen to deploy at the same time. I think it's highly unlikely that the officer shooting his gun knew that the other officer was firing his taser at that same time otherwise he would have waited.
That certainly seems like the most likely scenario.
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