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Old 24 January 2015, 05:09 PM
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this is the title of the article circulating about Abraham Lincoln.

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/issues/lincoln.html

Says Clay was Lincoln's idol but Clay was anti-Native American, etc.
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Old 25 January 2015, 09:02 AM
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A lot to digest here so I'm going to address the pretty typical Neo Confederate nonsense here first.
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one must ignore most everything Lincoln said about the Black race and his continued efforts at colonization
No, they shouldn't be ignored but the author is ignoring the fact that Lincoln's views on both issues changed. First, on colonization:
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In fact, there is no reason to believe that Lincoln ever espoused colonization after he issued the Final Emancipation Proclamation.
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It is not difficult to understand why Lincoln gave up his idea of colonization. Union party victories in 1863 in the border states and all the northern states but New Jersey lessened the pressure on Lincoln to accommodate racist sentiment against the Emancipation Proclamation. Even if Lincoln had continued to support colonization, blacks clearly never would.
And on Lincoln's changing views on race:
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The day August 10, 1863 would be the pinnacle of the relationship between [Frederick] Douglass and Lincoln. On this day, Douglass went to Washington to meet with Lincoln for the first time. While there, Lincoln's behavior towards Douglass revealed much about how he felt about him and how his views towards blacks had changed. As the first black man ever personally invited into the White House by the President, Douglass was treated with the utmost respect. He was especially impressed with Lincoln's directness: "remembered that the President looked him in the eye…. For the first time, Douglass expressed a personal identification with Lincoln."
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Throughout [Henry] Clay's political life he was a strong believer in National Socialism
There is no evidence of Henry Clay traveling through time or owning a time machine, so no.
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Disclaiming any intention to invade the Northern States, they sought only to repel invaders from their own soil and to secure the right of governing themselves.
That claim was made by some Confederates but, obviously, not all agreed and it certainly wasn't true as the war progressed (Gettysburg, for example).
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Throughout the Confederate States, we saw this great revolution effected without violence or suspension of the laws or the closing of the courts
Is this guy for real? Ft. Sumter anyone?
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The military power was nowhere placed above the civil authorities.
Even when it suspended, just like North, the writ of habeas corpus?
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None were seized and imprisoned at the mandate of arbitrary power.
From an interview with Barton A. Myers, assistant professor of history at Washington and Lee University, author of the book Rebels Against the Confederacy: North Carolina's Unionists:
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"White Unionists faced constant suspicion, threats of violence, charges of treason, torture and sometimes death."
Or what the Confederate Army did in Pennsylvania in 1863:
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In June 1863, when Brig. Gen. Albert Jenkins' cavalry, in the vanguard of the Confederate army, galloped into Pennsylvania, its aim wasn't only to spy and steal supplies.

The soldiers were also determined, as historian Margaret Creighton notes, to round up African-Americans, whom the Confederates regarded as "contraband" that should be returned to "rightful" owners.

The "slave hunt," as contemporaries and later historians called this phase of the Confederate invasion, would last as long as Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia remained in Pennsylvania. It ended only when the defeated Southern troops retreated back to Virginia after the Battle of Gettysburg.
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All division among the people disappeared
Including the slaves?
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and the determination became unanimous
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Almost as one man, all who were able to bear arms rushed to the defense of an invaded country
See the link above about Southern Unionists.
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nowhere has it been found necessary to compel men TO SERVE, or to enlist mercenaries by the offer of extraordinary bounties
Oh come on now, even by Neo Confederate standards this is mind-boggling stupid. From the Encyclopedia Virginia (emphasis mine):
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On this day [April 16] in 1862, the Confederate Congress passed the first Conscription Act, making all white males between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five eligible to be drafted into military service. This was the first such draft in United States history.
And from the Library of Congress:
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One immediate concern about the law was its effect on the economy and civil government of the Confederacy. To address these concerns the Confederate Congress passed a law on April 21, 1862 which provided a number of occupational-related exemptions to conscription. Exemptions were granted to men who served in national and state governments; to men who worked in heavy industry and mining; communications and transportation industries; and, various occupations which directly served the public such as teachers, ministers and druggists.
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However, these provisions were not the most controversial exemption. That was adopted in October 1862, when the Confederate Congress, after an extensive lobbying campaign, adopted the so called "Twenty Negro Law," which granted an exemption to an owner, or one overseer on each plantation with twenty or more able-bodied slaves.
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To continue to idolize Lincoln is to refute history and intellectual thought and to worship at the foot of Marxist government.
I see that this was published on 2 January 2003. Is he calling George W. Bush a Marxist? Anyway, I'm working on his claims about Lincoln and Native Americans, which I will share in a future post.

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Old 25 January 2015, 01:01 PM
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Nice post Brian. From what I can tell the author isn't just a neo-confederate but also anti-gov't libertarian(which might explain the marxist gov't remark). One of the quotes used traces back to one of Thomas Dilorenzo's books and have not had much luck sifting through all the reposted material while trying to find a valid source that does not trace back to Dilorenzo.
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Old 26 January 2015, 09:13 AM
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Thanks. I hadn't looked at Mr. Gaddy's other writings at the time but it looks like you're spot on. There's indeed a fringe of the Libertarian movement that does, in fact, view George W. Bush as a Marxist. And thanks for the info on Thomas Dilorenzo! More stuff to look up.

As promised, what I've found about Mr. Mr. Gaddy's claims about Native Americans.
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As Secretary of State Clay would declare: "The Indians' disappearance from the human family will be no great loss to the world. I do not think them, as a race, worth preserving."
According to John Quincy Adams this quote is accurate. (Click here for a more in-depth look.)
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This mentality lead to the forced walk of all Cherokees from the mountains of Tennessee, North Carolina and Georgia to Oklahoma during the winter of 1838.
While I wouldn't call Clay a friend to Native Americans he was opposed to the forced relocation of Native Americans known as the "Trail of Tears":
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The displacement of native people was not wanting for eloquent opposition. Senators Daniel Webster and Henry Clay spoke out against removal.
Here's what Clay said and did about the Indian Removal Act:
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"In regard to that most flagitious measure (the Indian bill)," he growled, it "threatens to bring a foul and lasting stain upon the good faith, humanity and character of the Nation." He therefore proposed the withholding of appropriations to cary the "abominable law" into effect and the Senate reject all treaties brought before it that involved Indian removal.
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Similar atrocities occurred all through the Lincoln Administration. In 1862, the Santee Sioux of Minnesota
In the next few paragraphs Mr. Gaddy gets the basic details of what happened correct. The Wikipedia article, however provides a much more detailed and balanced account. Certainly, it's not hard to find fault with the actions of the Lincoln administration, or any other 19th Century administration for that matter, with regards to Native Americans. However, Mr. Gaddy ignores the political context which they happened. From the Wikipedia article:
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General Pope and Minnesota Senator Morton S. Wilkinson warned Lincoln that the white population opposed leniency. Governor Ramsey warned Lincoln that, unless all 303 Sioux were executed, "[P]rivate revenge would on all this border take the place of official judgment on these Indians."[22] In the end, Lincoln commuted the death sentences of 264 prisoners, but he allowed the execution of 38 men.

Even partial clemency resulted in protests from Minnesota, which persisted until the Secretary of the Interior offered white Minnesotans "reasonable compensation for the depredations committed." Furthermore, Republicans did not fare as well in Minnesota in the 1864 election as they had before.
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Lincoln assigned General John Pope to quell the uprising and he announced at the beginning of his campaign: "It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux. They are to be treated as maniacs or wild beasts, and by no means as people with whom treaties or compromise can be made." Lincoln certainly did not challenge this statement.
From the Nation, dated 26 December 2012:
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Lincoln, however, was "never an Indian hater," Eric Foner writes in his Pulitzer Prize–winning book The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery. He did not agree with General John Pope, sent to put down a Sioux uprising in southern Minnesota, who said "It is my purpose utterly to exterminate the Sioux if I have the power to do so." Lincoln "carefully reviewed the trial records," Foner reports, and found a lack of evidence at most of the tribunals. He commuted the sentences of 265 of the Indians—a politically unpopular move. But, he said, "I could not afford to hang men for votes."
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In 1863-64, General Carleton and his subordinate, Colonel Kit Carson, invaded the Navajo land, especially those concentrated in the Canyon de Chelly
Again, his details are correct, although he seems to have forgotten about Lincoln at this point.
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the Cherokee Nation listed its grievances with the Union when they declared their unification with the Confederate States on October 28th 1861.
From Wikipedia:
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Native Americans in the American Civil War composed various Native American bands, tribes, and nations.[2] Native Americans served in both the Union and Confederate military during the American Civil War. At the outbreak of the war, for example, the minority party of the Cherokees gave its allegiance to the Confederacy, while originally the majority party went for the North.[3]
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Small wonder one of Lincoln's favorite Generals was William T. Sherman, who wrote to his wife in 1862 that his goal was the "extermination, not of soldiers alone, that is the least of the trouble, but the people of the South." He said while campaigning against the Indians: "The only good Indian I ever saw was dead," and lamented to his son shortly before his death that he had been unable to kill all of the "Red Sob's."
There is no evidence that Lincoln shared these views.
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another of Lincoln's war criminals, Ulysses S. Grant. Grant, like Lincoln, handed out his "political plum" appointments of Indian Agent to cronies who proceeded to gain tremendous wealth by selling supplies and stealing money that should have gone to the Indians.
While Grant's record in the war was not spotless there's nothing in his actions that compare to Lee's army capturing blacks, including those who had never been slaves, and sending them south as slaves or Nathan Bedford Forrest's actions at Fort Pillow.

And while there was a scandal with Indian agents in the Grant administration Mr. Gaddy fails to mention that problems were addressed:
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[Secretary of the Interior Zachariah] Chandler next turned to the Department of Indian Affairs to reform another [former Secretary of the Interior Columbus] Delano debacle. President Grant ordered Chandler to fire everyone, saying, "Have those men dismissed by 3 o'clock this afternoon or shut down the bureau." Chandler did exactly as Grant had ordered. Chandler also banned bogus agents, known as "Indian Attorneys," who had been paid $8.00 a day plus expenses for, ostensibly, providing tribes with representation in the nation's capital. Many of these agents were unqualified and swindled the Native American tribes into believing they had a voice in Washington.
Also, Mr. Gaddy makes no mention of Ely S. Parker, who Grant appointed as the first Native American Commissioner of Indian Affairs. Also, here's what Grant said during his Second Inaugural Address:
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Wars of extermination, engaged in by people pursuing commerce and all industrial pursuits, are expensive even against the weakest people, and are demoralizing and wicked. Our superiority of strength and advantages of civilization should make us lenient toward the Indian. The wrong inflicted upon him should be taken into account and the balance placed to his credit. The moral view of the question should be considered and the question asked, Can not the Indian be made a useful and productive member of society by proper teaching and treatment? If the effort is made in good faith, we will stand better before the civilized nations of the earth and in our own consciences for having made it.
I need to do so more checking but I believe that this was first time an American president had acknowledged that Native Americans had been treated unfairly. So, by 19th Century standards he was pretty advanced.

Next up: Mr. Gaddy's rather troubling association with racist and anti-Semitic groups.

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First an aside. While looking up writings by Thomas Dilorenzo I learned that both Michael Gaddy, the OP author, and he have written for the libertarian site LewRockwell.com and share very similar Neo Confederate views. However, the most interesting thing for me that I came across was this really neat takedown of Neo Confederate claims by the National Review's Rich Lowry.

Anyway, back to the main topic. Also, a heads up. Many of the sites I link to below are very NSFW so proceed with caution.

I haven't found any racist or anti-Semitic comments made by Mr. Gaddy. I even found a somewhat-favorable article about him in Salon. However, as I said earlier his frequent associations with people who do hold bigoted views is troubling.

For example, in addition to LewRockwell.com (which isn't racist or anti-Semitic) Mr. Gaddy is also an occasional host on the Political Cesspool Radio Program. From their mission statement:
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We represent a philosophy that is pro-White and are against political centralization.
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2. America would not be as prosperous, ruggedly individualistic, and a land of opportunity if the founding stock were not Europeans.
Here's an article about one of the programs he hosted:

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[Montezuma County Sheriff Dennis] Spruell was brought to the attention of the Cesspool radio show by a supporter, Montezuma County resident Mike Gaddy, who actually conducted the interview. Gaddy is a former leader of the anti-immigrant Minutemen vigilante group and a blogger at the Lew Rockwell website. There, you can read his many columns advocating gun ownership, predicting a civil war in which federal agents will soon confiscate guns and place gun owners in concentration camps, claiming that U.S. gun control laws are taken word for word from those of Nazi Germany, supporting the Confederacy as opposing a "one world government", and implying that Pearl Harbor, the TWA 800 crash, the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 were done by the federal government. He also claims that the Tucson massacre was a "false flag" undertaken by the federal government to justify further restrictions on gun ownership.
To his credit, Sheriff Spruell later distanced himself from the Political Cesspool radio show.

Even more troubling is that Mr. Gaddy has contributed to a website called "Yaweh's Design," which describes itself as "dedicated to our Heavenly Father Yahweh and His Remnant, the Caucasian-Israelites of the world." From their mission statement

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Our primary mission is to provide a place for all people to visit if they want to learn the truth rather than the abundant lies and distortions that are being put forth by the so-called ‘main stream’ sources.

Another mission is to awaken all of the true Israelites all over the world, to their real Identity. We will do this by showing the multitude of proofs that exist which verify who we really are. The ancient Israelites are found in the Caucasian tribes that are located in the four corners of this world.
These are pretty standard claims made by the adherents of "British Israelism" and members of the Christian Identity movement. In fact, I found that By Yaweh's Design is run by Pastor Dan Johns, who is spoken of very favorably on Christian Identity websites, although on that one they don't like his stand on polygamy. Also, the By Yaweh's Design's list of recommended sites is a real Who's Who of racist and anti-Semitic websites.

I looked for Mr. Gaddy's post there on Google to see if Yaweh's Design had just lifted his article. I found the same post on several other sites but the post on the Yaweh's Design site is the oldest, which leads me to believe it appeared there first and with his knowledge. Also, I found that Mr. Gaddy appeared on Yaweh's Design radio show. (Scroll down about halfway down the page to find the URL of an MP3 file of the interview.) I listened to the program and it was mostly typical conspiracy stuff (e.g., 9/11, Oklahoma City) although at the 1:00 mark it does veer to Neo Confederate talk for a few minutes. For example, Mr. Gaddy praises the Christian generals of the Confederacy and slams the "foreign" generals of the Union. (Apparently, he doesn't distinguish between foreign and foreign born.)

And now, unless I find something else I think I'm going to stop here. While I am fascinated by bizarre beliefs I'm not much interested in the bizarre racism and anti-Semitism of groups like Christian Identity.

Brian

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DiLorenzo is a source of more wrongheaded nonsense on Lincoln.
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DiLorenzo is a source of more wrongheaded nonsense, period.
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