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Old 06 August 2014, 05:31 PM
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Bear Back Hair Is Beautiful

Why do I so revile my back hair? That’s easy—because almost everybody else does. All other once-taboo forms of body hair now have their partisans, from pubes and armpits to feet and faces. The gay community, especially, has embraced hairy chests, hairy privates, and hairy faces as part of its self-acceptance ethos. But there has been no such renaissance for back hair. Beauty blogs and fitness forums, even open-minded ones, universally malign it. (GQ flatly issued this Kantian edict: “Back hair is never sexy.”) Gay men, except perhaps for a certain subset of deeply dedicated bears, quiver at the sight of it. And back hair has the dubious distinction of being the one type of body hair that straight men—who generally get carte blanche in the personal grooming department—might actually consider to be embarrassing.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2..._shameful.html

And a further commentary: http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/...-is-beautiful/
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Old 06 August 2014, 05:38 PM
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There's a single part of the male body that isn't allowed to be hairy? Cry me a river.
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Old 06 August 2014, 05:44 PM
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People finding your body hair repellent? Gee, tell me more about this problem I have surely never experienced.
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Old 06 August 2014, 05:49 PM
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Back hair doesn't really bother me at all. I like my men on the "bearish" side, personally.
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Old 06 August 2014, 06:29 PM
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Hollywood and glamour magazines have colluded, insidiously and insistently, to convince us that the hairy chest/hair-free back combination is a naturally occurring phenomenon.
It is for some men.

I wonder if a little bit of racism creeps into this issue. My Middle Eastern friends talk about struggling to keep their body hair groomed to a "white" level while my European American friends stare jealously at their heads of thick, glorious hair. It can be true for both men and women.
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Old 06 August 2014, 07:23 PM
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I read the title and quote as "Black hair" and was extremely confused when I actually clicked on the link.
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Old 06 August 2014, 07:38 PM
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There's a single part of the male body that isn't allowed to be hairy?
Ears, nostrils, and overly hirsute bums are frowned on too, not that I care.
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Old 06 August 2014, 10:15 PM
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Hairy necks are usually seen as a problem, too.
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Old 07 August 2014, 10:11 AM
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Yeah, neck beards have a pretty bad rep.
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Old 07 August 2014, 02:34 PM
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There's a single part of the male body that isn't allowed to be hairy? Cry me a river.
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People finding your body hair repellent? Gee, tell me more about this problem I have surely never experienced.
So a member of one group complaining about something should be mocked if another group has a more severe version of that problem?

Good to know.
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Old 07 August 2014, 03:30 PM
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((The part of GenYus will now be played by Richard Dawkins.))
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Old 07 August 2014, 04:28 PM
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((The part of GenYus will now be played by Richard Dawkins.))
But who will play Richard Dawkins?



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Old 07 August 2014, 05:37 PM
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So a member of one group complaining about something should be mocked if another group has a more severe version of that problem?

Good to know.
If the member of the group hasn't apparently noticed that other groups have more severe versions of the same problem, why not? Obliviousness can often be mock-worthy. There's a thread called "First World Problems" where we mock ourselves for it.
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Old 07 August 2014, 06:26 PM
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How do you know that the author has not noticed that? Because it wasn't mentioned?

And mocking oneself and mocking others are two entirely different things.
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Old 07 August 2014, 06:31 PM
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Well, hence the use of the word "apparently."

There are also threads that mock other apparently clueless people here too. Is apparent obliviousness a special case?
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Old 07 August 2014, 06:41 PM
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So, unless an article specifically mentions that Group Y has a worse version of the issue, we should assume that the author is clueless about Group Y and therefor the complaints about what Group X experiences can be mocked? Does the disclaimer need to be specific, or will a generic, "But other groups have worse versions." message suffice?

I cannot comment on the difference without knowing the specific threads involved.
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Old 07 August 2014, 06:44 PM
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Are hairy palms frowned on as well?
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Old 07 August 2014, 06:45 PM
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Obviously, you are welcome to assume whatever you want. I (and Aimee) assumed cluelessness and mocked him. You didn't, and you don't have to.
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Old 07 August 2014, 06:58 PM
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Rampant hypocrisy, got it.
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Old 07 August 2014, 07:11 PM
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I'm glad someone does, because I have no idea what you're talking about.

Here's an analogy that takes gender out of it: someone who has broken their foot writes an article complaining about the difficulty of getting around campus when you break your foot. It doesn't at any point acknowledge that there are people who are dealing with a much larger problem, but focuses solely on people with a broken foot, and how bad it is for them. Two people who are permanently disabled comment sarcastically on the writer's' obliviousness to the real scale of the problem. Someone else who may or may not have broken his foot but is not permanently disabled disagrees. Does that help?

ETA: Also, throw in that approximately half of the human race, people the writer sees and is related to and interacts with every day, is permanently disabled in this analogy.

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