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Old 01 May 2017, 03:59 PM
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I was reading that meme, and thought: Aussies have a pledge too?! Thankfully there are real Aussies here to set me straight.

ETA: IMO this whole meme thing is tiresome anyway. Maybe if the meme-makers put half as much energy into doing something other than gawping at FB, their community, or at least their neighborhood might be a better place.
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Old 01 May 2017, 04:42 PM
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I'm calling it now: the next meme that will be co-opted will be "Yes, Billy, you have the right to not stand for the (non-existent)Pledge. Now meet someone who fought for that right and now can't stand."
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Old 02 May 2017, 12:34 AM
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You mean something like this cartoon that keeps circulating? My personal head canon is that the soldier turns to the teacher and proceeds to chew her out, because if he got paralyzed fighting for Kevin's Freedom of Expression, then Kevin is showing respect for his sacrifice, by exercising this freedom. Then soldier turns to teacher and is like, "So did you bring me in for any real reason, or just because you're more comfortable using me as a political prop, rather than doing something silly like funding programs designed to take care of injured veterans when we come home?"

Also many Christian sects, like those of the Anabaptist tradition, are opposed to saying Oaths in general, based on verses like James 5:12, and therefore, refuse to say the Pledge. While I am not of that tradition, I have come to believe that my allegiance belongs to God, so therefore, I will stand to be respectful, but I will not pledge allegiance to a flag.

I could point out that the Jehovah's Witnesses are opposed to the Pledge of Allegiance, but the patriotic meatheads who pass along this meme, probably don't consider Jehovah's Witnesses to be Christians.
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Old 02 May 2017, 06:06 AM
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Well according to Wikipedia



I know Wikipedia isn't always the best source but this fits in from what I remember.
I don't mean to harp on about this but it occurred to me that the Australian Government might be a better source then Wikipedia so I went there.

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In April 1984 the Governor-General issued a proclamation declaring that God Save the Queen was designated the Royal Anthem, to be played at public engagements in Australia attended by the Queen or members of the Royal family. At the same time, Advance Australia Fair was finally declared to be the official national anthem.
http://www.australia.gov.au/about-au...ational-anthem
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Old 02 May 2017, 06:44 AM
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I was in my school choir from the age of 10 to 12 (80 to 82) we not only knew the national anthem (both verses) but also the royal anthem (God Save the Queen) because we visited a lot of retirement homes and were told that as far as many of the residents were concerned, that was the anthem. The rest of the time we rarely sang it. It wasn't a regular thing. And since most times when it is sang everyone has to be given the words it doubt very much there was ever a time it was sung every day. We have never pledged allegiance to the flag. We don't put our hands on our hearts. If Australia is their country, why are they so keen on being American.
I went to a Catholic school, and we started the day with - "I love God and my country, I honour the flag, I will serve the Queen, and cheerfully obey my parents, teachers and the law".

I look back and think and laugh. I've been an atheist for 40 years, don't honour the queen, (although I think she's a lovely lady), and recall our teachers as vile thugs that I still have nightmares about.

There's something a bit "Hitler youth" about pledges.
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Old 02 May 2017, 07:57 AM
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There's a meme going around Facebook at the moment where people copy/paste this text and post photos of their dog:
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I've been nominated by [.....] to participate in the Happy Dog Life Challenge Against Animal Abuse. For the next 5 days you post a pic of your dog (or dogs) & challenge someone you know to do the same!
Today I nominate [....]
I don't have a problem with people posting photos of their pets but I have no idea why they'd pretend it was somehow helping to fight against animal abuse, or that it was a 'challenge'.
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Old 02 May 2017, 10:11 AM
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There's a meme going around Facebook at the moment where people copy/paste this text and post photos of their dog:


I don't have a problem with people posting photos of their pets but I have no idea why they'd pretend it was somehow helping to fight against animal abuse, or that it was a 'challenge'.
We covered this in "Slacktivism 101".
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Old 02 May 2017, 10:12 AM
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As german I think the only time I ever said a pledge towards flag and country was during my 10 month tour of duty as conscript in the Bundeswehr. I remember my brother not saying the pledge (he still had to stand on attention in the field with all the others) and the only thing that happened was he never got promoted, which - as a conscript - amounted to more or less no real consequences at all.
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Old 02 May 2017, 11:01 AM
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Actually, while spoken with the hands on the flag (at least symbolically, example), the oath of the German soldiers (and formerly, the conscripts, too) is to the country and the rights and freedom of the German people:

„Ich schwöre, der Bundesrepublik Deutschland treu zu dienen und das Recht und die Freiheit des deutschen Volkes tapfer zu verteidigen, so wahr mir Gott helfe.“

"I swear to faithfully serve the Federal Republic of Germany and to bravely defend the Right(s) and the Freedom of the German People, so help me God."

(The oath can be spoken without the religios invocation.)

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Old 02 May 2017, 11:43 AM
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Well, it has been 20 years (I was in the Bundeswehr from April 1995 to February 1996), so I can't quite remember the text of the oath.
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Old 02 May 2017, 01:41 PM
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I can understand that perfectly well. I just wanted to avoid a "Germans swear allegiance to the flag - but Americans are not allowed to!" fake news.

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"If drug addicts can get Narcan free because they have a 'disease', why isn't my friend's chemo free?"
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Old 04 May 2017, 11:21 PM
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"If drug addicts can get Narcan free because they have a 'disease', why isn't my friend's chemo free?"
Maybe my Canadianism is showing I guess but I completely agree with this - well except for the quotes around the word disease.
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Old 05 May 2017, 02:45 AM
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Me too, Sue. Given that there's ample evidence proving that Canadian-style government-run healthcare is cheaper and overall a better system than our creaky, expensive, inefficient model, the US would be way better off with one. I really doubt it would happen. One, because there's no way for parasitic middleman to make a profit, but also because even though government-run healthcare would benefit everyone, if that everyone includes the poor and minorities, a powerful chunk of the population would opt to screw them over. Even though it would save them money, too many of the one percent would be like, "Nah."

Mortality is a fact of the human condition. Regardless of how much exercise a person gets or what they eat, they will grow old, get hurt, and get sick. A sensible healthcare policy acknowledges this. Medicine is not an optional accessory.
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Old 05 May 2017, 07:28 AM
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Maybe my Canadianism is showing I guess but I completely agree with this - well except for the quotes around the word disease.
Yeah as an Australian I am the same.
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Old 05 May 2017, 12:03 PM
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Maybe my Canadianism is showing I guess but I completely agree with this - well except for the quotes around the word disease.
Unfortunately, IME, what people who say that in the US are usually upset about is the free narcan, not the expensive chemotherapy. They don't mind letting cancer patients die for lack of money, they just want to make sure the same thing happens to people who use illegal drugs.
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Old 07 May 2017, 11:15 PM
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Piggybacking on that:

"There are dozens of cures for cancer. They're suppressed because cancer is worth $200 billion a year."
(The person who posted this--my former job coach at ARC, whose son is a heroin addict--added "Stay angry about the $40 Narcan that 'you pay for'--smh.")
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Old 19 May 2017, 03:09 AM
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I guess it's not a meme that annoys me but a reaction to a meme that triggers the nitpick reflex. Time magazine made a cover of the White House "transforming into the Kremlin" or, as some are putting it, "a Kremlin-like building". People don't know what the Kremlin looks like. That's a church. The Kremlin doesn't look much like it at all. Not that I'll be the first to point this out but, gee.
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Old 19 May 2017, 03:35 AM
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It's not just a church, it's St Basil's which is in Red square. The red brick that the White-house is turning into is characteristic of the wall surrounding the Kremlin though.
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A Facebook commenter (not on my page, fortunately) said "This is what libruls want: to change the US into Islam!"
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