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Well, that's a fair point. What else can you do about a disagreement like that other than "agree to disagree"? It's not like you can compare the things you're saying with reality to find out whether they match. I consider reality to be different from you...
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Besides, comparisons to reality are unfair since reality has a well-known liberal bias.
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It's not the lies that are resisting the truth.
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Is it that they have no skill or no desire to figure out the difference? I myself think it is more of the latter as the lies support their own worldview.
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Quick, some country pass a law stating that "People named Klaymann who call people something are that same thing"
or as I like to call it, the "Rubber and Glue" law... |
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That would explain all the apricot and mimosa trees being planted around the White House. Sounds like he is planning on staying a while.
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There is no doubt that under Godwin's law, Obama is considered to be Hitler. His father and mother were also Hitler.
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I was "Facebook Friends" with a right-winger who claimed that because Obama's father was a Muslim, Obama must, according to Muslim law, publicly renounce Islam in order to not be a Muslim, and he hasn't done that, so he's a Muslim.
When I pointed out that non-Muslims generally don't feel the need to act according to Muslim law, he got confused. He didn't just think Obama was "technically" a Muslim, but a practicing one. When I pointed out how Obama does things Muslim's can't do (drink beer, claim to be of another religion, etc.), he said he just does those things to hide the fact that he's a Muslim. The funniest moment was when he claimed that the fact that Obama won't fly with his dog, Bo, proves he's a Muslim. When I pointed to online news articles showing that he has flown with Bo at times, he again claimed Obama only did so to hide the fact that he's a Muslim. This guy also thought Obama was gay (even though that's forbidden under Islam, also). He did, amazingly, agree that Obama was born in Hawaii, but still thought the birth certificate was fake. And even though he agreed Obama was born in the US, he thought Obama wasn't an American citizen, convinced that he lost his citizenship during the five years or so that he lived in Indonesia. I have since de-friended the guy. |
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Whether or not the Obamas are particularly devout, I can understand why, if one were wanting to worship and one were in a position like POTUS, going to church wouldn't be the best way to accomplish it, necessarily. You have an entourage; everybody wants to talk to you. You really can't have a moment's peace for reflection or prayer or whatever. Different people have different expectations of church, so I realize the communal aspect is also important, but being mobbed by people was, as I have understood it, why Elvis didn't go to church after a certain point, even though he liked to get people together to sing gospel music with him and such.
Not saying this is Obama's motivation, but there are plenty of reasons that are not "doesn't really have faith" for a person not showing up to church. |
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I know somebody who accepts that the moon landings happened, but still thinks the photos are fake. He thinks it would have been impossible for astronauts to take good photos in those conditions with thick gloves and cumbersome helmets (after all, they weren't photographers) - even harder than it would have been to get to the moon in the first place, presumably. I still haven't quite worked that one out.
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I was really saddened once to hear from that "he's not one of us; he didn't even grow up here" referring to his years overseas when he was small. I could barely believe that a family member would say that to me. I realized at that point that my own kids would never ever be "one of us" to some of us, even if they spend most of their lives in the states.
But I realized at that point why some on the right support people who spout clear untruths even when they know the truth. They justify it in that way. "Well he might not be Kenyan or Indonesian but it's almost the same since he actually lived abroad..." |
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Heaven forbid a U.S. president should actually have some real-life experience with the world outside the U.S.
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Yes, that was another shocking thing. I realized that the same person - and lots of other Americans - would view me as suspicious and, well, unamerican just because I don't live there. Some time later I remember a tea party friend trying desperately to explain to his Facebook friends that I wasn't a foreigner (after I commented that I didn't like the idea of police being allowed to inspect the IDs of "foreigners" on a whim because I'd experienced it and the 'friends' jumped all over me). For some reason some of them seemed to think that it was either impossible or traitorous to live outside the states. (The same tea party guy - who was also part of the Bush 2 admin - is married to a woman he met overseas and hasn't become a US citizen. I wonder if they treat her even worse.)
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