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Old 17 October 2014, 12:30 AM
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I know someone in the US who sometimes has put out that flag (and I think received some complaints from neighbors). It's just the navy jack and it's still the navy jack. Contrary to popular belief, it's not actually a flag of the militarists or far right. It's used as one, as is the national flag. So that's what it sometimes communicates. It's hard to take mack the meaning of symbol once it's gone. That's why companies have to guard their own trademarks!
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Old 17 October 2014, 12:34 AM
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Well, those foreigners are a real nuisance. I just got back from the store and some of them were speaking a funny language. I think maybe it was Navajo or something.

(Though things might really have been different 50 years ago. A native American in Taos once told me that in the 60's she would get smacked with a ruler if she spoke her tribal language rather than English at school.)
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Old 18 October 2014, 02:37 AM
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I I know most Mexicans are poor and because sex is free
Bolding mine. I am a little surprised no one has commented on this. They want you to pay for sex now?
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Old 18 October 2014, 02:57 AM
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Wow, your friend's bloodline goes back to WWII!? That's two whole generations!
Quoting ganzfeld cause it I don't want to quote the whole rant we are commenting on, but having relatives going back to WW2.
Heck I bet some of those "Mexicans" have relatives who have been there that long.

I am 44 and I had Greek, Italian, Chinese and Indonesian kids in my class, or at least that was there ancestry. And they spoke Enlish. Or at least they did at school. I have no idea what the spoke at home.

Apart from their parents and his parents friends, most of their contact would have been with school mates, and of course they would have spoken English and maybe have been a little ashamed of a foreign background. Because at the age it is all about fitting in.
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Old 18 October 2014, 01:46 PM
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It seems especially weird to me (age 52, FWIW) that a 50YO would think "back to WWII" was such a long time. The war would have been over for less than 20 years when s/he was born. S/he would have grown up surrounded by WWII veterans (in the larger world if not in hir own home). The comment would be more understandable coming from a 20YO, maybe even a 30YO.
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Old 18 October 2014, 02:11 PM
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Bolding mine. I am a little surprised no one has commented on this. They want you to pay for sex now?
I am pretty sure that is illegal.
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Old 18 October 2014, 03:51 PM
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Except in some parts of Nevada.
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Old 19 October 2014, 12:04 AM
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Or if you examine the concept of "dating" (as often practiced) too closely.
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Old 19 October 2014, 12:10 AM
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Or "traditional marriage".

ETA: Ses often has a cost -- it's just not necessarily money.
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Old 20 October 2014, 10:59 PM
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In my early life I remembered immigrants were ashamed to be here and not speak English....
Apparently, at least here in the Twin Cities, Swan Turnblad, a Swedish immegrant, wasn't embarrassed enough to keep him from publishing the Svenska Amerikanska Posten, a swedish language newspaper, from 1885 to 1940.
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Old 21 October 2014, 12:09 AM
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And since it stayed in business for so long presumably other Swedish speaking immigrants weren't ashamed to be seen reading a non-English newspaper. But hey, maybe in that 14 year gap between when Svenska Amerikanska Posten ceased publication and when BryceLin was born they developed that sense of shame, and then lost it again.
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Old 21 October 2014, 12:35 AM
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I AM a bit ashamed of my spelling...
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Old 21 October 2014, 02:54 AM
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In my early life I remembered immigrants were ashamed to be here and not speak English.

There are plenty of people here in Quebec who think you should be ashamed to speak English...
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Old 21 October 2014, 08:21 AM
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I AM a bit ashamed of my spelling...
I am regularly ashamed of my spelling.
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Old 21 October 2014, 08:54 AM
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Apparently, at least here in the Twin Cities, Swan Turnblad, a Swedish immegrant, wasn't embarrassed enough to keep him from publishing the Svenska Amerikanska Posten, a swedish language newspaper, from 1885 to 1940.
There were entire neighborhoods where people didn't speak English all over the US. I have a friend whose mother grew up in either the UP or Northern Wisconsin (I don't remember which) who never learned English or at least learned it only as an adult- they all spoke German in her village.

My mother spoke Finnish to her friends- even, gasp! in public- but since she emigrated in 1959 maybe BryceLin doesn't count her.
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Old 21 October 2014, 01:03 PM
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One of my co-workers, who I'm guessing is no older than her early 30s at most (maybe mid to late 20s), just told us a story about her toddler daughter picking up Macedonian words and in some cases an accent from her paternal grandparents, whose English is heavily accented and not terribly fluent.
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Old 21 October 2014, 01:22 PM
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Many US cities had German-language newspapers up to the early 20th C. Cities with large Jewish populations often had Yiddish newspapers. Likewise for Chinese. In general, throughout the 19th C. and well into the 20th it was relatively common for cities with sizeable immigrant and first generation populations had at least weekly, if not daily, papers in the language in question.
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Old 21 October 2014, 01:37 PM
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Although we tend to think of bilingualism in the United States as a modern issue, in fact it has always been a part of our history.
Findlaw -- History of Bilingual Education
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Old 21 October 2014, 06:29 PM
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I have a friend whose mother grew up in either the UP or Northern Wisconsin (I don't remember which) who never learned English or at least learned it only as an adult- they all spoke German in her village.
My great-grandparents spoke Swiss German as their first language, in central Wisconsin (They died before I was born but my mother remembers them speaking German). Their ancestors came to the US in the 1850s. In other words, they were born in the US and grew up speaking German.
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Old 21 October 2014, 08:17 PM
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My grandmother is from SE Colorado, she says it was the same way in her house growing up- her parents only spoke German at home.
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