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Old 18 April 2014, 09:16 PM
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A woman's work is never done, Chloe. Let me know if you want company in the gibbering corner.

In the meantime, I'll take a crack at it. Jimmy, if I have $20k in cash burning a hole in my pocket but credit so lousy no one would lend me a nickel, I could go to a car dealership and buy a car. I could not go to a dealership and buy any car. See the difference?
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:19 PM
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Thank you. I was going to suggest he send me 100% of $10,000, and I'd send him 75% of it back.
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:25 PM
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OK. Just remember that when you quibble that 75% compared to 0% is not the same as 100% vs. 0% then "sciencey" types might take you to task for disputing the trivial and/or absurdity of small and irrelevant differences.
The difference between 75% and 100% is small and irrelevant? In what context?
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:29 PM
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“A woman, good looking or not, doesn’t have to worry about timing in searching for a man. Arrive at any time. All she has to do is point an inviting finger at any man, whisper ‘Come on ‘a my place,’ and she’s made a conquest. Most women can get any man to do anything they want. Men have it harder. They have to worry about strategy, timing, and tricks.”
As others have said, this quote is clearly literally incorrect. However, to me it was pretty clearly intended as provocative hyperbole with the goal of inciting a strong reaction.

However, I too dislike how the OP article closed with that quote, implying that the study supported that hyperbolic statement, which clearly it did not. Although given how bad that popular media tends to screw up science reporting, it's not surprising they'd try to sensationalize things like that.
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:35 PM
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And it's frustrating, because you could easily strip out the hyperbole and have something worth discussing. I guess sometimes people would rather be controversial than accurate.
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:38 PM
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Thus proving yet again that there is no scientific result so simple that it can't be dumbed down into meaningless blogspit.
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:39 PM
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And it's frustrating, because you could easily strip out the hyperbole and have something worth discussing. I guess sometimes people would rather be controversial than accurate.
Do you think anyone was actually confused by the hyperbole, though? Do you think anyone thought he literally meant that women could have their choice of any single one of the billions of men on Earth?
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:41 PM
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There could be other reasons for objecting to the hyperbole.
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:43 PM
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There could be other reasons for objecting to the hyperbole.
Do you have any in mind?
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:45 PM
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I can think of at least one (it trivializes the research), but I'm not Chloe and I wouldn't presume to guess/assume her reason.
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:56 PM
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Do you think anyone was actually confused by the hyperbole, though? Do you think anyone thought he literally meant that women could have their choice of any single one of the billions of men on Earth?
If a panel wrote in a peer-reviewed paper that a promising new cancer drug could help bazillions of sufferers, do you think it would pass muster? And if not, would it be because people would be confused as to whether it would or would not help bazillions of sufferers? Or another reason, like, for example, accuracy and professionalism?
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Old 18 April 2014, 10:05 PM
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The difference between 75% and 100% is small and irrelevant? In what context?
In the context that the comparison between a response of 75% (female) and 0% (male) is an infinite increase. The difference between 75% and 100% is only a 33% increase. Infinite is a bit bigger than 33%. For the comparison in question 33% is not significant or even relevant.
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Old 18 April 2014, 10:08 PM
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In the context that the comparison between a response of 75% (female) and 0% (male) is an infinite increase. The difference between 75% and 100% is only a 33% increase. Infinite is a bit bigger than 33%. For the comparison in question 33% is not significant or even relevant.
The comparison in question is 75% (actual results) to 100% (predicted results). 0% doesn't enter into it.
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Old 18 April 2014, 10:28 PM
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Not to mention, 25% is quite statistically significant.
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Old 18 April 2014, 10:46 PM
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Where did 0% come into it? The question is whether 75% = 100%. I contend it doesn't.
Sorry maybe I'm missing somewhere but where is there a quote that it would happen 100% of the time?

ETA: The main quote, for example says "Most women can get any man to do anything they want", not all, though the main page formats itself oddly on my computer and I accept I may well have missed something.

ETA2: I suppose if you take only part of his quote (like the last line of the article does) it may imply all women, but from his full statement it seems clear he doesn't mean that.

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Old 18 April 2014, 11:08 PM
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I've read the comments here as discussing 100% of the men, not the women. The sentence you quoted would read "Most women can get any man to do anything they want".

Emphasis on 100% of men.
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Old 18 April 2014, 11:09 PM
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"Any man." That means that you could point to any man at random, and it would be guaranteed to be true of him. Thus it must be true of every man. 100% of men, not 75% of men, as the study found.

ETA: spanked.
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Old 18 April 2014, 11:13 PM
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Ah, I gottcha.

Fair enough, that's a fair interpretation and would be a hyperbolic statement even if the result was 100% I suppose since clearly there are some men who would be immune to feminine wiles (men who are on fire, for example).

Technically correct , which as we all know is the best kind of correct.
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Old 18 April 2014, 11:21 PM
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And gay men. And plenty of married and otherwise committed men, I hope (looking at some board members here). And celibate men, and asexual men, and impotent men, and men who just, for whatever reason don't happen to be interested in sex with a particular woman at a particular time. So the claim is not only technically wrong, but totally wrong.
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Old 18 April 2014, 11:47 PM
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I know this isn't the main point, but next time someone tells me they have trouble getting dates I'm definitely mentioning this finding:
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A total of 96 subjects -- 48 men and 48 women -- were propositioned, partitioned to 32 -- 16 men and 16 women -- for each question. Roughly half of the men and half of the women agreed to go on a date.
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