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Old 18 April 2014, 07:26 PM
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Icon09 Would You Have Sex with a Total Stranger? An Inside Look at the Study That Found Out.

IN THE MID-1970s, Florida State psychologist Russell Clark was giving a talk at a public forum on campus. In the ensuing question and answer session, he, in the words of his compatriot Elaine Hatfield, "dropped a bomb":

“A woman, good looking or not, doesn’t have to worry about timing in searching for a man. Arrive at any time. All she has to do is point an inviting finger at any man, whisper ‘Come on ‘a my place,’ and she’s made a conquest. Most women can get any man to do anything they want. Men have it harder. They have to worry about strategy, timing, and tricks.”

As you might expect, a great many women in the crowd took umbrage with those remarks. One even decided that her pencil would make a better spear than a writing utensil, and sent it flying in his direction. But Clark quickly lowered the heat on the simmering situation with a reasoned compromise. “We don’t have to fight. We don’t have to upset one another," he beseeched. "It’s an empirical question. Let’s design a field experiment to see who’s right!”

And so he did.

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog...stranger_.html
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Old 18 April 2014, 07:30 PM
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Jeez, why would a woman not want to go to a complete stranger's place for sex, while a man is more likely to? I certainly can't think of any reason other than men being more eager for sex.

Plus, the results of the study don't validate the claim that a woman can easily pick up any man, since in a quarter of the experiments, the men turned the women down.
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Old 18 April 2014, 07:48 PM
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Indeed. Such experiments are inherently flawed because they assume (among other things) that the cost/benefit ratio of a sexual encounter is equivalent for men and women, but it isn't. Women generally bear much higher risks and costs than men do.
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Old 18 April 2014, 07:49 PM
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I think this quote certainly is part of it:

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They also drew attention to the notion that both men and women could have been equally interested in sex, but that men associated fewer risks with the act
However, regardless of motivation, the study does seem to back up the general claim that has been made over the years that if you are just looking for sex with a random stranger you have better odds if you are a woman than a man. I have heard lots of contention to this idea and while this one study does not 'prove it' it's one more study than I've personally seen done that suggests otherwise (though in fairness I havne't looked hard).

Whether the motivation is "men are just plain hornier" is, of course, harder to evaluate, but the general observation that female requesters will find casual sex easier to accomplish than men does appear to be backed up by this study.

ETA: It would be like if somebody made the claim that it's easier for a white person to get a job than a black person; before you can begin to evaluate 'why' this may be the case, you first must establish that it's true to begin with. I have heard plenty of people claim that there is simply no truth to the idea that it's easier for a woman to 'take home a man' from a bar than the reverse, it seems that there is at least some data to back up that statement, not the question is 'why'.
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Old 18 April 2014, 07:51 PM
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Was everybody heterosexual?
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Old 18 April 2014, 07:55 PM
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However, regardless of motivation, the study does seem to back up the general claim that has been made over the years that if you are just looking for sex with a random stranger you have better odds if you are a woman than a man.
Indeed it does. But I share Chloe's irritation at that final sentence. I see misstatements like that often in media recapsulations of studies. Bugs the heck out of me.

I would be interested to see how behavior would vary in different communities, especially more sex-friendly communities such as Swingers and BDSM communities.
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Old 18 April 2014, 07:56 PM
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I skipped the website (lots of it's other links were red flags for me) and just read the study itself.

With respect your modified sample would void the purpose of the study, which is what a typical person (in this case college student) would do. I suspect if you included only a less sex-friendly community you'd have more even numbers too but it would be because you deliberately sought out a sub-group of people who were biased in one direction or another.

ETA: Now testing a sex friendly community in a similar study may help to begin to tease out 'why' there are differences, for example offering more evidence that it's about socialization.

@Chloe - Well the subjects were debriefed (though that doesn't mean they woudln't have kept such details to themselves) so I guess 'it can't be known' but it does appear that they controlled for extraneous reasons for saying no.

I addition the number of subjects that agreed for dates were about even, it was when the question was just "want to go to my place and screw" that there was a massive disparity.
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Old 18 April 2014, 07:57 PM
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However, regardless of motivation, the study does seem to back up the general claim that has been made over the years that if you are just looking for sex with a random stranger you have better odds if you are a woman than a man.
I was going to suggest that the bolded part ought to be worded 'looking for a man as a partner rather than a woman.' But I am not so sure this is the case for same-sex trawling. If a woman gets an invite like this from another woman, she might generally feel a lot less threatened than by a man's invite, and even if not a self-identified lesbian, be curious enough - and perhaps a bit flattered - to give it a go. My impression is that men would be far less receptive to a random proposition from another man along the lines described. But I will fully acknowledge I might be wrong on that, as I cannot personally speak for the general population of men.
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Or women...
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Old 18 April 2014, 08:06 PM
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Plus, the results of the study don't validate the claim that a woman can easily pick up any man, since in a quarter of the experiments, the men turned the women down.
I think a 75% success rate is a pretty good example of "easily".
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Surely someone has done a study in which the people asking the questions varied in their degree of attractiveness? A person showing poor hygiene or general "unattractiveness" would, I think, get more rejections than someone who looks like an actor or model, regardless of gender. It would be interesting to do the study with people who were made to appear "attractive" while asking the opposite sex out and then made to appear "unattractive" and see if the ratio of yes/no responses was similar.
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I also wonder how many men would actually go through with it all the way.
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I think a 75% success rate is a pretty good example of "easily".
But not of "any."
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Old 18 April 2014, 08:07 PM
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That says most women can easily pick up "a" man, not "any" man.

ETA: Though I can easily get spanked by any woman, it seems, so there's that.
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Old 18 April 2014, 08:10 PM
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Be my guest. If I have to explain absolutes to sciencey types once more this week, I'll be gibbering to myself in a corner.
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Old 18 April 2014, 08:40 PM
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I also wonder how many men would actually go through with it all the way.
Good query - a lot of men are conditioned to say 'yeah', but I think a fair percentage would get cold feet.
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Surely someone has done a study in which the people asking the questions varied in their degree of attractiveness? A person showing poor hygiene or general "unattractiveness" would, I think, get more rejections than someone who looks like an actor or model, regardless of gender. It would be interesting to do the study with people who were made to appear "attractive" while asking the opposite sex out and then made to appear "unattractive" and see if the ratio of yes/no responses was similar.
Similarly, I noticed that the questions were put only to people the questioners deemed 'attractive.' I take that to mean a combination of uncontrollable factors and such controllable factors as grooming, clothing, and fitness. I would think those who work on the controllable factors to be 'attractive' (specifically stressing the 'attract' part of that, rather than meaning just looking 'nice') are generally going to be more inclined toward seeking and/or accepting an opportunity for sex.
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Old 18 April 2014, 08:44 PM
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Be my guest. If I have to explain absolutes to sciencey types once more this week, I'll be gibbering to myself in a corner.
OK. Just remember that when you quibble that 75% compared to 0% is not the same as 100% vs. 0% then "sciencey" types might take you to task for disputing the trivial and/or absurdity of small and irrelevant differences.
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I also wonder how many men would actually go through with it all the way.
Yeah, I can only speak for myself, but as much as I might fantasize about sleeping with a random stranger if the opportunity actually came up in real life I really doubt I'd actually feel comfortable sleeping with someone I didn't already know fairly well.
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Old 18 April 2014, 08:53 PM
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OK. Just remember that when you quibble that 75% compared to 0% is not the same as 100% vs. 0% then "sciencey" types might take you to task for disputing the trivial and/or absurdity of small and irrelevant differences.
Where did 0% come into it? The question is whether 75% = 100%. I contend it doesn't.
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Old 18 April 2014, 09:13 PM
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Yeah, I can only speak for myself, but as much as I might fantasize about sleeping with a random stranger if the opportunity actually came up in real life I really doubt I'd actually feel comfortable sleeping with someone I didn't already know fairly well.
Probably TMI, so be warned, those who venture below. Text whited out to be mannerly.

I've posted bunches of Casual Encounter ads seeking sex. Several times, I've had a gent show up and try to go through it but he gets too nervous. Usually, this would happen with younger guys and/or guys who have never had casual sex or haven't had it often. I'd say that's about 5-10% of them. Then you have the ones who respond and chicken out before they leave the house. Another 5-10%. I started adding requests for only responders failure with casual sex, which did help weed out the unsure ones quite a bit
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