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Old 18 February 2014, 09:07 PM
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I don't disagree that there's a sexist double standard here - just that it is possible to recognize a person (even a porn starlet) without even being a consumer of porn.
But, per your examples, only the very tiny, limited subset of porn actors who have made appearances in the national media.
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Old 18 February 2014, 09:22 PM
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You know what financial aid means for very large schools? Loans. Lots and lots of loans....
Such a broad brush generalization and so much wrong with that statement. I have spent a lot of time with prospective college students looking at a lot of schools. Financial aid comes in many forms and every college has unique offerings and every student has a unique financial aid situation.
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Old 18 February 2014, 10:08 PM
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But, per your examples, only the very tiny, limited subset of porn actors who have made appearances in the national media.
It's also possible, though not likely, that when the actor has a very distinct appearance, that even the "casual enjoyment" of porn could be memorable. What I mean by this is that for a person to recognize a porn performer, they need not be a "porn addict". There's no doubt that millions of people, mostly men, are not averse to viewing porn and enjoying it, so the negative judgement of the guy recognizing her, should not be quite so negative.

His breaking of her trust, on the other hand, is what makes him a totally reproachable person regardless of his gender or the issue at hand. It doesn't even matter that the secret was about a risque topic - even if the girl was doing something noble but trying to keep it a secret - it should still remain a secret. Wouldn't something like that be an "honor code" violation, if Duke did have an honor code?
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Old 18 February 2014, 10:19 PM
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I didn't see hypocrisy either, just a man who is not very honourable, which isn't much better. I wonder why he even bothered to make a promise he seems never to have intended to keep.
The hypocrisy is that for some reason it's okay for a male to hire strippers, go to a strip club, or to watch porn, but it is not okay for a female to strip or do porn.

In the example I posted above, the female athlete that performed at the strip club was punished, while the male athletes who were customers at the same strip club were not.

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I don't disagree that there's a sexist double standard here - just that it is possible to recognize a person (even a porn starlet) without even being a consumer of porn.
Possible, but not very likely.
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Old 18 February 2014, 10:59 PM
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I saw a woman shopping for computer games in HMV with her boyfriend, and wondered if she was a porn actor. Then a month or two later, there was an interview on the BBC website with a porn actor and I'm fairly sure it was the same woman. (I can't remember her name, so I can't find it now). I'd have recognised her even though I've not seen any porn with her in.

Mind you, the woman I saw stood out in various ways that made me wonder if she was a porn actor in the first place, since you see very few women with that look. I guess the woman in this story doesn't obviously "look like a porn star".
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Old 19 February 2014, 01:45 AM
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RichardW - I don't think that's true at all.

Years ago I was on business in a town of about 20,000 and staying in its one large hotel. This was in northern Manitoba, about 4-5 hours away from any really large city. They had a "special event" in the hotel bar that weekend - they had brought in female strippers. One of them was staying in the hotel room across from me, and as I came back to the hotel from work, she was returning from her first "set" at the bar. I had to help her walk down the hall, as her 5-inch heels didn't work very well at all on the carpeted hallway. (No, she wasn't in her "working uniform" walking through the hotel.)

I saw her again the next morning as she was waiting to leave the hotel. Without the excessively fancy hair and makeup, and dressed quite plainly, there was no way to tell her profession, nor did she even look very exotic. Yes, she was quite petite and very pretty, but her "look" was all staged. We spoke briefly that morning and she was the one to mention that she looked different from the night before...
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Old 19 February 2014, 04:42 AM
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I'd really like to know what "look" Richard W is referring to.
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Old 19 February 2014, 07:41 AM
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RichardW - I don't think that's true at all.
Which bit? My anecdote?

The woman I saw wasn't getting her "look" from clothes, hair and makeup. She seemed to be in her mid-20s and had very large breast implants that didn't even pretend to be natural, and other evidence of plastic surgery such as very inflated lips. I really don't see many people who look like that, and it seems to be a typical enough porn star look that it made me wonder if she was a porn star.

I didn't say all porn stars look like that, or even that everybody who looks like that is a porn star, but (unless things are different in the USA) it's an uncommon look, and one which made me wonder if this woman was a porn star. Which it appears she was, since I later saw an interview about her job as a porn star on the BBC featuring what I'm fairly sure was the same woman. (She had a distinctive voice too, with a strong Essex accent, although I'm sure people from Essex wouldn't like it if I suggested that made her sound like a porn star... it just made me more confident that it was the same woman.)
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I remember years ago a porn actress appeared on ABC's 20/20 as part of an "expose" of the darker side of the industry. She had some very notable tattoos (on a g-rated part of her body) and a very notable gap between her teeth, making her recognizable with just seeing her face, and no matter what color or style of hair she may be sporting. I also imagine that back in the day when the scandal broke (about her underage performance in porn), that there were many pictures of Traci Lords in the press. These pictures were, no doubt, of only her face, but that would have made her recognizable even to someone who had never seen her more famous performances.
The lady with the gap in her teeth is probably Belladona. And there was, at one point, a porn actess whose "schtick" was looking like Cindy Crawford, complete with mole.

It doesn't really matter if you watch a little, or a lot, of porn. What matters is that (g)you disaprove of it in public, while obviously partaking of it in private, enough that you can regonize someone.

ETA: about the male in the adult industry, the film "Magic Mike" is supposedly based on Channing Tatum's experience working as a male stripper. He's made money off of that, and no one seems to be looking down at him for it.
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Old 19 February 2014, 01:25 PM
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BTW, as for the cost of attending Duke, I remember a few years ago, in response to a similar effort from some of the Ivies, most of the major upper-tier private universities, including Duke, announced a program to make more financial aid available to middle-class students, as the high tuition had led to a situation where they were mostly getting the very well-off and quite poor students only. They wanted a broader sociological mix, and making private universities affordable for the middle class was a big part of that. In addition, the young lady could do what a lot of college kids do and borrow the money via the college loan programs. She may still be getting some moeny that way, but I can understand if there is high-paying work that she finds acceptable, she is taking that so she can graduate with less debt at the end. And it could be that her parents believe she is taking out large loans, rather than paying via her part-time freelance work.
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Old 19 February 2014, 01:31 PM
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They did (do?) have such a program, it is called Duke Financial Aid Initiative and lowered the average debt of a Duke graduate from $23K in 2009 to $21.8K in 2010.
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If the tuition for a year at Duke is around $58K and you will attend for 3-4 years for a degree, I can understand why you would not want to get loans.

Who wants to start a career with $174 000 to $232 000 in debt? Around here, that's a house (1)(2)
This site says average starting salary for a Duke graduate is $55K, so how many years of debt is a graduate looking at if they also have to get someplace to live, a car to get to work, and food? and that's average, not a garanteeed minimum.

High wages, good hours... who wouldn't want a job like that to help ease the burden if it's not something you morally object to?
More to the point, if the job is legal, what business of others is it what the student does, as long as her tuition is paid?


(1) actually, probably a fair size condo apartment, but still, someplace nice to live in.
(2) I'm pretty sure it's a house in most places, except in places where's it's just a sizeable chunk of mortgage.
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High wages, good hours... who wouldn't want a job like that to help ease the burden if it's not something you morally object to?
More to the point, if the job is legal, what business of others is it what the student does, as long as her tuition is paid?
Exactly. It is not like she was doing something slimey, like working in a payday loan place, or as a subprime mortgage broker.
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If the tuition for a year at Duke is around $58K and you will attend for 3-4 years for a degree, I can understand why you would not want to get loans.

Who wants to start a career with $174 000 to $232 000 in debt? ....
Nobody, but getting loans and borrowing every penny of the cost of your education are two very different things.
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Just for general information, I had to do some legal research on making porn in California (researching the law, not observing the process). There is kind of an end-run going on. It is illegal to make "porn" - but nothing is considered porn until a judge has reviewed it and declared it so. So long as no one brings some sort of a legal procedure to declare a production "pornographic", it is allowed to continue. Of course, in the olden days, such a procedure would be brought to either prevent a theater screening or to take materials off the shelf. But nowadays, with so much of the distribution being over the internet, there is really no effective place the government can intervene to stop it, even if there were a government attorney with a mind to do so.
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Old 19 February 2014, 05:23 PM
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Not exactly porn, but I was mildly surprised some years back to learn that one of my students--a quiet, very bright young lady, good writer--was working her way through college by performing at our local strip club. I've never been there, so I don't know how far they strip (I'm surprised there's even one in our county). I found out when I suggested she apply for a scholarship reserved for English majors, she got it, and she told me, "Good! Now I can stop dancing at the ----- club." I laughed, and she said, "It's not a joke. I've been doing it for two years."
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The hypocrisy is that for some reason it's okay for a male to hire strippers, go to a strip club, or to watch porn, but it is not okay for a female to strip or do porn.
Sure, but is that what the young man in the OP was saying? If it was I guess I missed that.
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Sure, but is that what the young man in the OP was saying? If it was I guess I missed that.
He certainly saw his classmate's role in porn as somehow noteworthy, and, I suspect, titillating. If porn it's something it's ok for people to watch, it's something it's ok for people to do. If not, not.
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Hence why a true gentleman does not go to a "gentlemen's club.'
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IME, men who call themselves "gentlemen" are often some of the worst misogynists.
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