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Old 25 November 2013, 05:47 PM
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Icon07 Women shun intimate grooming, and men prefer a more natural look on partners

It's news that will allow women to save a small fortune on bikini waxing trips, Immac cream and razorblades: pubic hair is back in vogue.

More and more ladies are shunning heavy-duty intimate grooming in favour of maintaining a more natural look, which men say they do in fact prefer on their partners.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-partners.html
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Old 26 November 2013, 04:52 AM
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In a backlash against the bald Barbie look, 51 per cent of women do not style or groom their pubic hair, while 45 per cent admit to no longer being bothered to continue with their hair-removal regime.
Compared to how many previously?

Seriously, this story seems to be nothing but an attempt to justify and/or promote someone's personal preference.
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Old 26 November 2013, 11:49 AM
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The latest statistics I'd read were something like 60%. But this is one thing where it's hard to have a "trend," really, because how many people see how many other people naked? You can see what clothes they wear and how they pluck their eyebrows, but I suspect this will pretty well always be a personal preference, slightly influenced by conversations with friends.
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Old 27 November 2013, 05:32 PM
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Compared to how many previously?

Seriously, this story seems to be nothing but an attempt to justify and/or promote someone's personal preference.
At least they stopped themselves short of implying/outright stating that men who prefer shaved are pedophiles.
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Old 27 November 2013, 10:43 PM
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men who prefer shaved are pedophiles.
I've always hated that line. It's a lot like saying that someone who eats steak is a man-killer (making the connection that eating beef flesh leads to killing, then to killing of humans).

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Old 28 November 2013, 05:21 AM
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Shaving genital pubic hair doesn't make one look any more like a child than shaving underarm pubic hair does. I've never understood why women shaving their underarms is expected by nearly everyone (whether you're intimate with them or not) but preferring shaved genitals "makes a guy a pedophile".

I have it on good authority from my dear departed grandma that eventually it falls out again ("smooth as a baby down there"). So one could say that shaving makes one look post-menopausal just as easily.
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Old 28 November 2013, 05:35 AM
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Actually I've known people who believe that pretty much all hair removal by women (underarms, legs, etc.) is essentially an attempt to 'infantalize' women. Not sure I'd take it quite that far. Surely there is every attempt to try to convince women to look as young as they can manage. I suppose it gets back to the old argument about the definition of 'pedophile.' While it would be illegal (and probably immoral by most definitions) for me to have sex with, say, a fifteen-year-old girl, I don't think finding a girl that age sexually appealing is in the same category with lusting after, say, a six-year-old. It may be kind of icky, but it's not really aberrant in the same way.

Just on a personal level, never really found the notion of shaved/waxed naughty bits to be particularly appealing or off-putting.
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Old 28 November 2013, 01:16 PM
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When I was about 20, I shaved myself bald down there just to try it out. Afterwards, I looked and felt like a 10-year-old. It was not sexy, I didn't look like a mature woman, and it's not a look that I'm ever going to do again. I didn't have a boyfriend or partner at the time so I can't comment on that aspect, but no guy I've been intimate with has ever said anything one way or another about the presence of my body hair. (Except to comment on the color, because apparently blonde/red is uncommon at least in the US.)

I don't shave my legs and I occasionally shave my pits just out of personal preference. But unless you got real close to me you probably wouldn't even be able to tell.
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Old 28 November 2013, 01:48 PM
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The latest statistics I'd read were something like 60%. But this is one thing where it's hard to have a "trend," really, because how many people see how many other people naked?
I've been going to nudist events since 1998, so I've seen thousands of naked people, and it does seem like public hair is making a comeback. Around 2005ish it seemed like everybody at those places was opting for totally bare. Lately I've seen more people going for the trimmed look down there.

Also I agree that it's not infantizing. It's just a matter of personal preference no different than if somebody has a preference for/against facial hair.
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Old 28 November 2013, 04:23 PM
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(Except to comment on the color, because apparently blonde/red is uncommon at least in the US.)
I don't know that it's so much that natural blonde or red hair is all that uncommon, but dyed blonde or red hair is very common. So seeing what's "down there" is often taken (or joked about) as confirming the natural color. (Of course the color may also be striking on its own merits.)

(I know you can dye it there too, but I don't think many women bother. Now that I think of it, I wonder if that might be part of the motivation for some women in going smooth - no worries about the carpet not matching the drapes, as they say.)
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Old 28 November 2013, 04:27 PM
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Not everyone who has naturally red or blond hair will have red or blond public hair, either, AIUI.
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Old 28 November 2013, 05:14 PM
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Also I agree that it's not infantizing. It's just a matter of personal preference no different than if somebody has a preference for/against facial hair.
Agreed.. I mean I suppose the trump card of "You have been socialized so well to believe that that you don't even realize you are socialized!" wins as always, but some people just prefer a certain look or feel.

My wife prefers me clean shaven to a beard, but I don't think that's cause she secretly wants to bang a 12 year old.
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Old 28 November 2013, 05:51 PM
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My wife would like to see me shaven from top of head down to the toes. This is because she thinks Thai Monks look sexy not that she thinks that I should look like a little boy. Though after she has shaved most of my body hair off a few time. I learned that keeping the nether region at least well trim and shaved back, has stopped the chaffing when riding bikes or hiking. Plus smooth legs are a lot easer to clean bandage after falls and scrapes. So now those two areas stay shaven during the summer when I'm more active.

As for me and my taste in women, I prefer them shaven down their at least a well trimmed landing strip. I like to preform oral set on women, but I would prefer not having to eat the hair. My wife on the other hand does not care much for oral sex, but when she is in the mood it is at least trimmed back. Other wise I do not care whether a female grooms her hair or not as long as she is clean.
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Old 28 November 2013, 06:36 PM
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Agreed.. I mean I suppose the trump card of "You have been socialized so well to believe that that you don't even realize you are socialized!" wins as always, but some people just prefer a certain look or feel.
But the socialization so clearly requires women to be hair-free compared to me, that it's worthy of comment.

I appreciate that people "just" like to present themselves in a certain way, but it is tremendously awkward (to say the least) for people who do not easily fit a socially acceptable norm (I'm not even going to say "ideal").

For example, I would "like" to have hair-free legs and a bikini line that was higher up than the legs on normal women's underwear. That's a look for women that I "just like". Unfortunately for me it's really difficult to achieve without a lot of pain, irritation and time.

Without a lot of said irritation etc., I can just about achieve unsatisfactorily stubbly lower legs. I love swimming, but I find that it's quite a mental effort to get over the idea that I look unacceptable going to the swimming pool with hairy legs and unruly bikini hair.

Now this is all pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, but I find it kind of annoying when people just accept that depilation is simply a "like/don't like" kind of thing. It's not: it functions at the level of social acceptability rather than simple fashion.
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Old 29 November 2013, 04:57 AM
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At least they stopped themselves short of implying/outright stating that men who prefer shaved are pedophiles.
My usual objection to this applies: IME at least, that usually comes up only in response to suggestions that women who have a lot of pubic hair and/or don't remove it are disgusting and unfeminine. Of course that sort of thing is going to inspire a fairly nasty response. I always wonder, do those who so dislike the suggestion that men who liked the hairless look are pedophiles also take equally strong offense at the obverse? IME, they don't.
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Old 29 November 2013, 04:16 PM
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I've always preferred the natural look on a woman. In fact I'd go so far as to say pubic hair is kind of a turn on for me. I suspect that has something to do with the fact that the first girl I was ever intamate with was completely natural down there, so it probably subconciously evokes memories of that experience or something.
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Old 29 November 2013, 04:35 PM
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I've always preferred the natural look on a woman. In fact I'd go so far as to say pubic hair is kind of a turn on for me. I suspect that has something to do with the fact that the first girl I was ever intamate with was completely natural down there, so it probably subconciously evokes memories of that experience or something.
I'd suggest you are over-analyzing that. Humans retained pubic hair, and it serves as a sexual signal of maturity (there may be other purposes, of course). It ought to be a turn-on pretty generally, in both directions.
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Old 29 November 2013, 04:45 PM
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Well whatever the reason I'm just saying I never was a fan of the trend of shaving it all off, if it ever really was a big trend. As someone else mentioned it's kind of hard to tell since most of us don't see many people naked outside of perhaps adult movies, and that's not a good way to judge.
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Old 29 November 2013, 07:12 PM
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I've had a similar experience as Cervus - I FELT ultra-creepy when I shaved downstairs on the urging of a boyfriend. This was about 10 years ago.

My husband and I have agreed we prefer the natural look on each other. Since it's winter in Ontario I can get away w/ shaving my legs about once a month.
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Old 30 November 2013, 02:05 PM
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But the socialization so clearly requires women to be hair-free compared to me, that it's worthy of comment.
Oh the overall issue is worthy of comment, and certainly socialization affects society in real, measurable ways. I'm just always.. I'm not sure what the exact word I'm looking for is.. But something rubs me the wrong way when people claim that anybody who feels some way (which, oftentimes, just happens to be a way they don't agree with) is only doing so because they've been brainwashed by society.

When people comment that an increased acceptance and normalizing of homosexuality will lead to more people 'deciding' to become homosexual they are (rightly) criticized.. Yet some people do the same thing with any other number of normalized behavior and simply say "You only like/do/agree with this cause you have been socialized to".

I have no doubt it plays a role, maybe even a notable one, but clearly personal preference plays a role as well, and a not insignificant one. I imagine the ratio differs depending on the particular topic, but for intimate grooming I think it leans towards personal preference given that.. Well.. I at least just don't see that much about it regularly (compared to, say, women with long hair, or women who shave their legs). Porn aside (which not all of us watch) you just don't see a lot of that to 'socialize' you in one direction or another, at least not enough to be (IMO) completely responsible for the preference of any given style.

I imagine it's related to shaving body hair in general, but again there are benefits to that as well. Personally I like the feel of a woman's legs that are shaved vs. not. It's their body and their choice but it's what I prefer personally. As to why women are expected to do it and not men.. Cause women (or not enough of them at least) don't prefer it on men. If, say, 80% of women really liked men's bodies mostly hairless most men would shave, simple as that.
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