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Old 10 May 2013, 07:52 PM
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I also think that people need to stop referring to any that is even remotely sexual as porn.
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Old 10 May 2013, 08:10 PM
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I'm merely saying that "If we could desexualize XXX, then XXX would be appropriate to do in public" is a tautology. It's a proposition that although true is meaningless. You could say that for any number of things
But in this case I was referring speficially to women's bums (YYY), not to the dance itself (XXX). If you disregard the idea that a woman's or girl's backside is automatically sexual or pornographic, then a dance which involves lots of bum movement is no longer automatically inappropriate in public.

So if you desexualise YYY then XXX is appropriate to do in public.
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Old 10 May 2013, 08:45 PM
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I also think that people need to stop referring to any that is even remotely sexual as porn.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the expanding definition of "porn". I mean, there is gore-porn, scenery porn, disaster porn, etc.
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Old 10 May 2013, 08:48 PM
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I mean, there is gore-porn, ...
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Old 10 May 2013, 08:54 PM
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Gore Porn

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Old 10 May 2013, 09:24 PM
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If we define the suffix -porn as "video or photos that are shot and edited in such a gratuitous way as to arouse, amuse or disgust the viewer as their primary purpose," then it works. So the sweeping vistas of New Zealand in the LOTR trilogy that go on longer than strictly necessary in their breathtaking beauty? Scenery porn. Shots that linger on gore special effects, lovingly edited together to show it to you from as many angles as possible? Gore porn.

I've seen a few videos that could be termed twerk porn, by that definition.
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Old 10 May 2013, 09:53 PM
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I wouldn't call twerking porn, by any stretch of the imagination. Nor do I have a problem with teens and adults doing so. I'm really not comfortable with 10 year old girls twerking upside down at the school.
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Old 10 May 2013, 10:07 PM
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I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but, to me, it seems akin to belly dancing in some ways.

Yes, I realize that Twerking has a sexual aspect to it that belly dancing doesn't have traditionally, but it's a similarly impressive display of localized muscle control.
Twerking from what I've seen of it seems like a singular, repetitive move. To say that it's like belly dance is like saying that ballet is like The Twist. There are a lot of moves in belly dance that require core control and flexibility, but it's an entire dance style that includes a seemingly endless variety of movements that are limb or foot driven as well as core driven.

Personally I think twerking looks insanely bad for one's lower back. The hyperextention looks like exactly the opposite of what I've been taught and teach in my belly dance classes.
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Old 10 May 2013, 10:15 PM
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If we define the suffix -porn as "video or photos that are shot and edited in such a gratuitous way as to arouse, amuse or disgust the viewer as their primary purpose," then it works. So the sweeping vistas of New Zealand in the LOTR trilogy that go on longer than strictly necessary in their breathtaking beauty? Scenery porn. Shots that linger on gore special effects, lovingly edited together to show it to you from as many angles as possible? Gore porn.

I've seen a few videos that could be termed twerk porn, by that definition.
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Old 10 May 2013, 10:28 PM
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To say that it's like belly dance is like saying that ballet is like The Twist.
That's why I said "akin to it in some ways." Not "like" it
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Old 10 May 2013, 11:17 PM
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Twerking from what I've seen of it seems like a singular, repetitive move.
It is not, I can assure you.

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Personally I think twerking looks insanely bad for one's lower back. The hyperextention looks like exactly the opposite of what I've been taught and teach in my belly dance classes.
It can be problematic sometimes, but there are many twerk moves that don't require the back to do any movement.
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Old 11 May 2013, 12:27 AM
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This seems to be one of the more benign stupid fads I have in the last few years on the internet. It might be a little sexually suggestive, but most likely will not get any one seriously injured or killed.

Ignore it and it will go away like all the other fads.
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Old 11 May 2013, 12:56 AM
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It is not, I can assure you.
I will take your word for it, since you seem to have a lot more exposure to it than I do. I don't think I've seen more than a thirty seconds or so of continuous twerking.

I don't really find it appealing to watch, but that's just a personal preference. I know a lot of people who can't stand to watch belly dance (believe me I used to dance in a restaurants and had customers cringe or outright leave when I came in), so to each his own.
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Old 11 May 2013, 01:14 AM
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That's why I said "akin to it in some ways." Not "like" it
It is "akin" to certain belly dance movements or techniques, like pelvic drops or ommis.

Belly dance is more than just movement. There is a whole musical, historical and cultural vocabulary that is involved as well. For example, people used to say that Shakira "belly danced" in her concerts because she shimmied and wore a hip scarf. Not so; she incorporated belly dance movements into fusion-style western choreography. But if I had a dime for every person who walked into my classes and said "I want to be a belly dancer like Shakira!", I never would have had to go back to working a day job.

I mean, I know dancers who ascribe to the philosophy that if you're not dancing to Middle Eastern music, you shouldn't call it belly dance at all. I'm not that hardcore, but it's not exactly a rare opinion in the dance community.

Maybe twerking has the same kind of elements as other ethnic dances. I really don't know enough about it to say. But you seemed to be specifically talking about the physical execution of movement, so that's where my nit-picking kicked in.
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Old 11 May 2013, 01:28 AM
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Gore invented the internet. The internet is for porn. Therefore, all porn is Gore-porn.
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Old 11 May 2013, 10:37 PM
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Is gore-porn something that portrays gruesome torture in a sexual way, or are they just calling anything graphic "porn?" There is definitely such a thing as gory pornography, but I don't recommend searching for it.

As for the word "pornification" in the article title, is the author suggesting that pornography is so common that aspects of it are leaking into other areas of culture and entertainment, or is he/she using it when "sexualization" would be a more accurate term?
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Old 12 May 2013, 10:21 PM
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Is gore-porn something that portrays gruesome torture in a sexual way, or are they just calling anything graphic "porn?" There is definitely such a thing as gory pornography, but I don't recommend searching for it.
As the term is used, "porn" refers to things that excite, not necessarily arouse. It's about the focus on things that will stimulate the viewer in any way. But yes, some will call anything graphic "porn".
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Old 13 May 2013, 12:44 PM
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Is gore-porn something that portrays gruesome torture in a sexual way, or are they just calling anything graphic "porn?"
The way I've often heard it is stuff that seams to mostly focus on the details of the gore. The Hostel and Saw franchises are often named as examples of "torture porn" since their main draw seems to be graphic torture.
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Old 13 May 2013, 02:38 PM
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I've always thought of the dividing line as when the amount and frequency is increased or showcased to the detriment of the story. Sort of like the difference between erotica and porn. The former uses sex, nudity, etc as an integral part of a story. The latter uses sex, nudity, etc and might have a story. Gorn porn is when the gore is the hightlight of the film and is the main driving force.

Of course, as with any porn/not-porn YMMV greatly.
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