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Old 05 May 2013, 06:16 AM
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Icon07 'Twerking': The pornification of the culture

You may not have heard the term “twerking” before now, but you’ve probably seen it.

It’s the charmless, stripper-inspired move that involves shaking one’s booty as fast as possible, while crouching or in a handstand position.

It’s all over YouTube, especially in an “Official Twerk Team” video with explicit and expletive-laced lyrics that’s been watched millions of times.

More than 30 students at Scripps Ranch High School have been suspended for making a twerking video and setting it to music with crude lyrics.

It’s not the end of civilization, but it’s pretty strong evidence that the pornification of the culture is so pervasive that high school kids can make a sexually suggestive video on campus, then post it on YouTube and seem kind of miffed when adults rap their knuckles.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...,2618869.story
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Old 05 May 2013, 05:00 PM
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More than 30 students at Scripps Ranch High School have been suspended for making a twerking video and setting it to music with crude lyrics.
The video clip in the article mentions that the students shot their "twerking" video on school grounds, with school equipment, and included profanity laden music as the sound track. To me the fact that they were using school resources suggests that they broke not just a rule about behavior, but rules about misusing school hardware as well and including music they did not have the rights to. If the students have filmed at the same location, with the same explicit sound track they had no rights to, using the same school equipment, but had shown something that wasn't sexually inappropriate - perhaps just the students lip-synching to the sound track - they surely would have broken a handful of rules, even without the rump shaking. How much of the punishment is about "twerking", and how much of it is about the other infractions they clearly racked up?
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Old 05 May 2013, 08:29 PM
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I picked my 10 year old up from the after-school program(they bring the kids to a working farm to do chores, care for animals, garden, ride, etc. for a few hours each day after school) and they had gotten back an hour or so early because the owner of the farm had an emergency, and aside from the bus driver and one aide, the rest of the supervision is from high school age girls and farm owner/employees. Instead of trying to reach 60 sets of parents in an hour they decided to let them play on the playground. I saw a large group of kids on the handball courts twerking, including about 8 girls, and 2 boys that were twerking upside down on their hands with their legs up on the wall.
These kids were all around 10 years old.

I don't think kids are any worse than when I was young, but they are more open about it.
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Old 09 May 2013, 11:08 PM
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At 10, it's quite possible that they don't realize there's anything inappropriate about it.

When you say "handstand" position, do you mean bending over with hands and feet both touching the ground? When I see the word "handstand" I think being upside-down with only your hands on the ground. which would make twerking pretty difficult.
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Old 09 May 2013, 11:19 PM
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Handstand position in twerking is either hands on the ground, facing a wall, feet splayed out on the wall, or hands on the ground, legs being held by people on either side of you.

Twerking is also super duper fun and really good cardio, but it's really not appropriate for kids. Then again, at that age I'd sometimes swing around the tetherball poles or whatever on the playground and pretend to be a stripper. I really don't even know where I got that from.
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Old 10 May 2013, 02:38 AM
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Is a video of a fully clothed butt even considered offensive? I fail to see any problem, I see fully clothed butts all the time.
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Old 10 May 2013, 02:07 PM
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Honestly, I think twerking is no more sexually provocative than the pelvic gyrations of Elvis Presley.

Most dances involve shaking your bum to some degree. Twerking just involves shaking it really, really, fast. It can be sexual, particularly if the dancer is wearing skimpy clothing, but I don't see it as innately inappropriate. If you de-sexualise the dancer's backside, then it's nothing but a fancy feat of buttock control.
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Old 10 May 2013, 02:14 PM
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Sure! if you desexualise mastrubation, it would be appropriate for people to wank off in public.

Now, only if I can figure out a way to desxualize sex itself...
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Old 10 May 2013, 03:38 PM
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If you de-sexualise the dancer's backside, then it's nothing but a fancy feat of buttock control.
I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but, to me, it seems akin to belly dancing in some ways.

Yes, I realize that Twerking has a sexual aspect to it that belly dancing doesn't have traditionally, but it's a similarly impressive display of localized muscle control.
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Old 10 May 2013, 04:10 PM
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This is probably my favorite twerk video specifically showing off the localized muscle control aspect. I just can't even figure out how she's doing some of the things she's doing.

NSFW, obviously.
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Old 10 May 2013, 04:34 PM
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This is probably my favorite twerk video specifically showing off the localized muscle control aspect. I just can't even figure out how she's doing some of the things she's doing.

NSFW, obviously.
This video is pretty impressive too!
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This video is pretty impressive too!
Wow! That's really quite cool.

Honestly, I think people need to chill out about twerking.
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Sure! if you desexualise mastrubation, it would be appropriate for people to wank off in public.

Now, only if I can figure out a way to desxualize sex itself...
But those things are inherently sexual; bums are not.

A child jiggling their bottom is more silly than sexual, even if the dance has sexy origins. Lets face it, if it involves bums then it's going to be popular with young people (umm, you know what I mean ... because kids find bums funny and are sometimes slightly fixated on them at at least one stage during childhood).
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A child jiggling their bottom is more silly than sexual, even if the dance has sexy origins. Lets face it, if it involves bums then it's going to be popular with young people (umm, you know what I mean ... because kids find bums funny and are sometimes slightly fixated on them at at least one stage during childhood).
I didn't realize you had a camera in my house and are watching my 7 year old.
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Wow! That's really quite cool.

Honestly, I think people need to chill out about twerking.
When I was in boarding school about 20 years ago, there was a girl from Kenya, who demonstrated several tribal dances for us in the dorm kitchen one night. There was quite a lot of butt muscle control going on, and it was really quite impressive. She told us that they began to learn the dances when they were very young, about 5 or 6 years old, and that they were intended to attract husbands by drawing him to notice her virility and control of her lower...ahem...regions. She went on to explain that there was also a male version, and that way back before civilization*, these dances would take place a few times a year and ensure the continuing propagation of the tribe. She told us that now (or then, rather because I don't know about now), they're performed only on ceremonial occasions.

Looking at some of these twerking videos, I'm reminded of her dancing and I wonder if that's where it originated from.

Here is a video similar to what I remember her showing us. (the first four minutes).

Then again, we were in a hardcore christian boarding school, so she could have been making the whole thing up on the fly, for when she got busted trying to teach some of us the dance moves. (Dancing was strictly forbidden).


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Old 10 May 2013, 07:20 PM
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Looking at some of these twerking videos, I'm reminded of her dancing and I wonder if that's where it originated from.
Huh! That's an interesting theory. It's certainly plausible.
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Sure! if you desexualise mastrubation, it would be appropriate for people to wank off in public.

Now, only if I can figure out a way to desxualize sex itself...
Are you suggesting that shaking your booty is as inappropriate as wanking in public? Or just that it's as categorically sexual?

I can't and don't 'twerk' (except maybe by accident, when stood up near the back of a wobbly bus) but on the ominous occasions that I do dance I might relocate my posterior from position a to position b in an involuntary response to rhythmic stimulus. I can assure you that there's nothing sexual about my dancing, my bum, or any kind of juxtoposition of the two. I don't see why a dance that can be intended as sexual but involves no sex or nakedness whatsoever can't also just be dancing. It's not like I'm suggesting that people regard leg humping as just a dance move.
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Old 10 May 2013, 07:37 PM
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I'm merely saying that "If we could desexualize XXX, then XXX would be appropriate to do in public" is a tautology. It's a proposition that although true is meaningless. You could say that for any number of things
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Wow! That's really quite cool.

Honestly, I think people need to chill out about twerking.

I also think that people need to stop referring to any that is even remotely sexual as porn.
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