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Old 08 April 2013, 08:58 PM
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Icon102 Science proves women like men with bigger penises

The human male possesses the Italian designer faucet of penises. They’re pretty big, the biggest of any primate’s relative to body size. And they’re showy, too, right out there, front and center on our upright bodies (i.e., they don’t retract), as if they were meant to be seen as part of the décor. Why?

A study released today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) offers an explanation: Women are attracted to penises, and the bigger the better.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51469938/n...h-mens_health/
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Old 08 April 2013, 10:00 PM
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“As you increase penis size, the amount of attractiveness scores gets bigger” in a linear fashion, he explained, until 7.6 centimeters, or 3 inches. After three inches, attractiveness still increased, but in smaller increments.
Which measurement is this? Length or circumference?
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Old 08 April 2013, 10:01 PM
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They’re pretty big, the biggest of any primate’s relative to body size.
The author really ought to check out a bonobo or two before making that claim.

And this whole article runs into the problem of being a post hoc teleological claim to begin with, without actually providing any evidence of its core premise: that women chose well endowed men as mates enough throughout the history of the species that it became a significant selection force. Given the length of time around the world that women haven't had a significant say in who they were going to mate with, as well as the way in which what is considered attractive tends to change, I don't find its conclusions at all valid.
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Old 08 April 2013, 11:10 PM
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The author really ought to check out a bonobo or two before making that claim.
Really? I thought it was reasonably well-established that human penises were bigger than those of other primates relative to body size.

Jared Diamond in The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee gives the average chimpanzee size (when erect) as 3 inches and the average human size as 5 inches. On that scale I guess chimpanzees may be bigger relative to body size, although it's not obvious what the average body size would be and whether the proportions are substantially different to 3:5. (And he may be erring on the side of caution in average human penis length, there.)

He doesn't mention bonobos specifically there - although later on the page, he says that they (pigmy chimps) do only have a mean duration of coitus of 15 seconds, compared with "about four minutes for Americans".

This isn't a new hypothesis, either. It's in Jared Diamond's book (published 1991). It's controversial in some circles, which is why the researchers above have carried out another study, which turned out to back up the idea.

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Given the length of time around the world that women haven't had a significant say in who they were going to mate with, as well as the way in which what is considered attractive tends to change, I don't find its conclusions at all valid.
Bigger penises are better for raping with, then? I don't think it's true at all to say that "women haven't had a significant say in who they were going to mate with" on an evolutionary scale. And "the way in which what is considered attractive tends to change" is a point of dogma as well, I'd say. Some measures of attraction have been reasonably constant over time and society.
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Old 08 April 2013, 11:40 PM
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Really? I thought it was reasonably well-established that human penises were bigger than those of other primates relative to body size.
The primatologist Franz de Waal doesn't think so, though apparently no one's done an actual study of the matter.
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Old 09 April 2013, 01:47 AM
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Yeah, it's a commonly stated factoid, and it is true when comparing humans to gorillas, but there really hasn't (that I'm aware of) been much in the way of research into the truth across the entire ape clade.

And even if it is true, it's just too much of a stretch to say that the reason it is that way is because of it being a trait that was selected for by women based solely on a study that found that women stared at pictures of men with larger penises for a longer time than they stared at pictures of men with smaller penises.
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Old 09 April 2013, 02:57 AM
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Which measurement is this? Length or circumference?
I am guessing its flaccid penis length. Also, I guess it's better to be a shower than a grower
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Old 09 April 2013, 02:59 AM
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I don't think flaccid penis size is a great indicator of whether women like bigger penises for actual sex. I mean, there's a limit to what's appealing.
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I don't think flaccid penis size is a great indicator of whether women like bigger penises for actual sex. I mean, there's a limit to what's appealing.
The article said that the effect was more pronounced up to 3 inches, after which increasing length had a decreasing effect on attractiveness. I doubt that most women would find 3 inches to be excessively large.
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Old 09 April 2013, 03:27 AM
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The article and title strongly implies that bigger could only possibly be better. I guess that's more salacious than "Women prefer men with flaccid penises around three inches long."

I mean, "bigger" compared to what?
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Old 09 April 2013, 03:58 AM
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I'm going to go with bigger than an average toothpick. I guess I'm a bit odd though, I prefer them smaller than the average telephone pole. If they're going to be vague, I'll play along.
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Old 09 April 2013, 04:17 AM
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Are you saying that (unlike some of the bad porn I've seen) it's not exciting to be with a man who's got something between his legs that's roughly the length and thickness of a scuba tank?
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Um...yeah wouldn't be a fan.
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Old 09 April 2013, 01:43 PM
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The article and title strongly implies that bigger could only possibly be better. I guess that's more salacious than "Women prefer men with flaccid penises around three inches long."

I mean, "bigger" compared to what?
I do not think I would be going out on a limb to suggest that the study did not include freakishly large penile depictions, certainly not beyond, say, Ron Jeremy's endowment (which some would consider freakish, and more would consider unacceptably large, but is still not as much as what is being suggested on this thread). From the results reported, it seems that there was a substantial number of depictions on either side of the 3 inch range, so it is almost certain that the majority of depictions ranged from 1-5 inches. However, the article did report the results that bigger always did get a more positive reaction, although the degree of improvement dropped off as 3 inches was exceeded (with an allowance also for the height of the man in the photo). So yes, within the parameters of the selection of photos shown, bigger was found to be always better.
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Old 09 April 2013, 03:31 PM
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Some measures of attraction have been reasonably constant over time and society.
Some degree of proportionality and signs of overall health, yes.

But I don't think we have any proof (now or then) that big cocks somehow lead to men being able to mate more often.

I mean, we're talking about a study with based on a pretty specific population: one that has grown up with a view of the naked male body often driven by porn and underwear models, which are going to have far larger (or will appear to have far larger) penises than average.
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Old 09 April 2013, 04:12 PM
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More than that, the study didn't even show anything about sexual partner choices among women, it just showed which pictures they looked at. Which is very much not the same thing as who they're choosing to sleep with, nothing in the study actually talked about what partners the women took.
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More than that, the study didn't even show anything about sexual partner choices among women, it just showed which pictures they looked at. Which is very much not the same thing as who they're choosing to sleep with, nothing in the study actually talked about what partners the women took.
Agreed. If you show me a picture of a naked guy with a freakishly large penis, I'm going to look a bit longer if for no other reason than to figure out if it's photoshopped or to wonder to myself where he finds pants that fit. Has nothing to do with whether I want to have sex with him.
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The study did ask the women about preferences in choosing sexual partners, it wasn't just about how long they looked at the picture. They may not have asked about actual sexual partners either because that could mean much fewer particiapants or because that would introduce so many other variables as to render the results useless.
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Nm. I misread.

This I did find interesting:

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Women with a greater body mass index held stronger preferences for big penises.
That actually makes a great deal of sense. Women with larger BMIs tend to have more padding around the stomach/butt, so a bigger penis means better penetration. This, however, would be based on lived experience, not any sort of evolutionary initiative. Which may very well apply to other women as well.

Frankly, this tendency for studies to push an evolutionary explanation on things such as perceived attractiveness gets awfully old.
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Old 09 April 2013, 04:30 PM
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Agreed. If you show me a picture of a naked guy with a freakishly large penis, I'm going to look a bit longer if for no other reason than to figure out if it's photoshopped or to wonder to myself where he finds pants that fit. Has nothing to do with whether I want to have sex with him.
Aesthetically, I appreciate looking at men with very large cocks. It's a proportion type of thing I think. But, unless I'm looking for a VERY specific type of encounter, cock size factors into my final choice very little, save that I am going to weed out freakishly large or really small ones.
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