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Old 13 February 2013, 02:59 AM
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Default And in a wild and crazy Westminster this year - SPOILERS

the Affenpincher takes Best in Show

Totally deserved.

The OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG takes the first Reserve BIS awarded in years, and REALLY DESERVES it.


It was a show full of tons of upsets. The expected Terrier, Herding, and Working winners didn't take their groups. For terrier, it was head to head. For working, I really don't know what the judge was feeling. For herding? HELLS TO THE YES. The first year in so many decades that unfinished dogs (i.e. non-champions) were allowed to compete, and not only does the OES end up being a class dog, he won the herding group, AND RBIS!

The German Wirehaired Pointer was a lovely, solid dog with great breed type, and I like him better than the Affen. The Smooth Fox Terrier was lovely in group but off in BIS.

FANTASTIC show!

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Old 13 February 2013, 04:27 AM
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The Smooth Fox Terrier was lovely in group but off in BIS.
He spotted his mortal enemy, a Smooth Fox Terrier with white on the right side of his face, in the crowd.
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Old 13 February 2013, 03:52 PM
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Ack! Spoilers! I was going to watch later! LOL.

My friend who was texting me during the show said they didn't have a new group this year. He lied. I couldn't remember what the new group was CALLED but knew they were rearranging some to make more sense.

I'll still watch the online videos though. Mostly just so I can see the Shiba Inu. It will be a long, long time until one even pulls a BIG since they weren't accepted by the AKC until 1993 but I can pull for them.
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Old 13 February 2013, 04:17 PM
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They had two new breeds, but the groups are the same as they've been for the past few years. I think the last change was the addition of the Herding group for 1983.
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Old 13 February 2013, 04:31 PM
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GenYus is correct. No new groups yet. The AKC is, however, likely to change over to a group structure more like the FCI within the next few years, which will mean several additional groups.
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Old 13 February 2013, 04:51 PM
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I liked seeing the German Wirehaired Pointer win his group; it's good to see some of the less common breeds get some attention. The Affenpincher was also great. In the working group I was rooting for the Doberman (she's well known amongst breed lovers) but reserve isn't bad.

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Old 13 February 2013, 06:33 PM
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I liked seeing the German Wirehaired Pointer win his group;
That dog is DEAD solid. He's just about perfect.

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In the working group I was rooting for the Doberman (she's well known amongst breed lovers) but reserve isn't bad.
That was a huge upset. I know they were disappointed with a G2, but Fifi had a fantastic career and will be influential in the breed for a long time.

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I was thrilled with the otterhound. The Clumbers from that kennel actually place on a regular basis. They breed good dogs.
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Old 13 February 2013, 06:36 PM
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As good a place for this question as any. The announcer mentioned that the source breed for several modern breeds was "extinct". Nomenclature aside, has any breed that no longer has members of that breed been resurrected by combining the derived breeds, essentially breeding back to the standard for the source breed?
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Old 13 February 2013, 06:45 PM
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. Nomenclature aside, has any breed that no longer has members of that breed been resurrected by combining the derived breeds, essentially breeding back to the standard for the source breed?
Not that I can recall, no.

Many backyard breeders have attempted to do this (see the Olde English Bulldogge and other lame attempts at a breed), but they fail to produce an actual breed, mostly because they have no clue what they are doing.

It likely COULD be done, but, frankly, there isn't a good reason for it. The breeds recognized by the FCI today fulfill every purpose for a dog to exist.
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Old 13 February 2013, 07:19 PM
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GenYus, the dog they're probably talking about is the Molosser. It was a large mastiff-type dog that is one of the source breeds for a huge variety of dogs.

Ryda - I have seen a few newer breeds that fit in (the American Hairless Terrier for one, although it's really just a type of Rat Terrier) but you're right, most of the time "exciting new breed" means "we can sell mixes for big bucks!"

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They had two new breeds, but the groups are the same as they've been for the past few years. I think the last change was the addition of the Herding group for 1983.

My bad. I misread the group names there.
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Old 13 February 2013, 11:38 PM
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He spotted his mortal enemy, a Smooth Fox Terrier with white on the right side of his face, in the crowd.
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The OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG takes the first Reserve BIS awarded in years, and REALLY DESERVES it.
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not only does the OES end up being a class dog, he won the herding group, AND RBIS!
I was sick and missed it all. I don't know if you recall me posting about my Old English Sheepdogs but they're my favorite breed. I didn't even think to have Marty record any of it for me and I usually have him record at least the Herding and Terrier, if only to see a SCWT strut, groups. Do you know if there's a recording anywhere of at least the OES getting group and Reserve BIS?

ETA: I looked up some info and pictures of Swagger. He sure is a beautiful boy! I hate I missed seeing him being chosen.

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Old 14 February 2013, 05:03 AM
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The Westminster site has videos of all the judging.

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Old 14 February 2013, 01:27 PM
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Just what I thought. Another damned sable and white Sheltie. They do realize they come in other colors, right? It'd be nice to see a bi-black or a bi-blue take Best of Breed once in a while.
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Old 14 February 2013, 06:06 PM
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As good a place for this question as any. The announcer mentioned that the source breed for several modern breeds was "extinct". Nomenclature aside, has any breed that no longer has members of that breed been resurrected by combining the derived breeds, essentially breeding back to the standard for the source breed?
The Pharaoh Hound never wins anything. Boo. Also I wish they'd stop calling it an ancient Egyptian dog when it's from Malta and nowhere near that old. Although it looks exactly like Egyptian wall carvings and paintings (upper left of this picture, not the jackal you see everywhere), so it could be that someone was going for that effect a long time ago.

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Old 14 February 2013, 07:43 PM
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The Pharaoh Hound never wins anything. Boo.
Ibizians do! It's close ;-)

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Also I wish they'd stop calling it an ancient Egyptian dog when it's from Malta and nowhere near that old.
They need to update some of their Announcer descriptions.
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Old 14 February 2013, 08:26 PM
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They need to update some of their Announcer descriptions.
I know. He actually called one of the dogs a "coon-hound". That ain't been okay for 50+ years man.
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Old 14 February 2013, 08:45 PM
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I know. He actually called one of the dogs a "coon-hound". That ain't been okay for 50+ years man.
Well, there are at least 5 breeds that are called by that name. (But maybe you were joking.)
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Old 14 February 2013, 08:47 PM
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I know. He actually called one of the dogs a "coon-hound". That ain't been okay for 50+ years man.
For several of the Scent Hound breeds that is the actual name of the breed.

Black and Tan Coonhound
Bluetick Coonhound
Treeing Walker Coonhound
Redbone Coonhound

ETA: Spanked by Tootsie!

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