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Old 13 October 2015, 07:49 AM
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Default Playboy to drop nudity as internet fills demand

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Last month, Cory Jones, a top editor at Playboy, went to see its founder Hugh Hefner at the Playboy Mansion.

In a wood-paneled dining room, with Picasso and de Kooning prints on the walls, Mr. Jones nervously presented a radical suggestion: the magazine, a leader of the revolution that helped take sex in America from furtive to ubiquitous, should stop publishing images of naked women.
I am absolutely shocked... that anyone still reads Playboy.
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Old 13 October 2015, 07:58 AM
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There was a story on one of the morning shows here talking about a few of the men's magazines published here going the way of the Dodo and how some are claiming it is a sign of political correctness gone too far or the other usual complaints. But as they pointed out it is just a sign of the times. You can get pictures of naked ladies (or whatever you fancy) for free on the internet.

And you don't have to claim it is just for the articals.
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Old 13 October 2015, 08:08 AM
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Although it's sad in a way, because Playboy sometimes did have some pretty good articles and interviews. Also, their nudity tended to be at least somewhat more artistic than the average internet porn. But yeah, I don't think I've even seen a current issue in years, let alone perused or purchased one. Oh well, this too shall pass, et cetera.
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Old 13 October 2015, 08:21 AM
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Although it's sad in a way, because Playboy sometimes did have some pretty good articles and interviews.
Then why is it sad?
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Old 13 October 2015, 03:22 PM
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Also, at least for now, Playboy is not going out of print. They are just going to stop publishing nude photos, instead publishing racy photos like in Maxim.
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Old 13 October 2015, 03:29 PM
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I've always seen Playboy as much classier than the other mags out there especially in their pictorials.

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Old 13 October 2015, 05:09 PM
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Playboy has announced that it will stop featuring photos of nude women. To me, this is a little like a cooking magazine announcing that it's going to stop running those silly recipes.

http://www.newsfromme.com/2015/10/13/wabbit-twouble/
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Old 13 October 2015, 06:20 PM
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I've never been a Playboy reader, except in the traditional "12 year old kid steals some from his dad's 'hidden' collection" kind of way, but, Playboy was, in it's first couple of decades at least, considered a style guide for men, kind of like GQ. If you wanted to be a 'playboy', you could turn to Playboy and get suggestions on clothing, music, stereo equipment, drinks to stock your home bar, recipes for drinks, etc. etc. It wasn't just a nudie magazine. And it really never was, though that's what people tend to focus on. It was something of an honor for a writer to have a short story published in Playboy; you can find paperback anthologies of Playboy science fiction stories, for example. So going more "Maxim" style in the pictorial content is, in some very basic ways, not really altering some of the "why" of buying a Playboy... for certain readers, at least.
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Old 13 October 2015, 07:26 PM
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I had a roommate whose boyfriend subscribed (for the pics, I'm sure, in his case). I read some great interviews in it, including one with George Harrison.
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Old 13 October 2015, 08:56 PM
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Hmm. And if there's a big drop in sales and popular outcry, they can bring it back as "Playboy Classic" and profit from all the attention! It's New Coke all over again!
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Old 14 October 2015, 12:45 AM
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My friends thought I was crazy for having a subscription to Playboy for the articles. The had a habit of picking up a magazine and questioning my about articles to see if I actually read them. After a while gave up after getting most of the answers right.

While I enjoyed the articles, it was nice to look at few pictures of nude women that were tastefully done and not raunchy.
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Also, their nudity tended to be at least somewhat more artistic than the average internet porn.
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I've always seen Playboy as much classier than the other mags out there especially in their pictorials.
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While I enjoyed the articles, it was nice to look at few pictures of nude women that were tastefully done and not raunchy.
True; while they did have "nudity" and "semi-nudity," they had a policy of keeping it relatively "tasteful," compared to some of the competing "men's" magazines.

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Old 14 October 2015, 03:05 PM
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Reminds me of Rachel on Friends, looking at a Playboy: "Remember those days when you used to go out to the barn, lean over and pull up your shirt?"
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Old 14 October 2015, 06:01 PM
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Then why is it sad?
Personally I find it sad, as a nudist, because trying to "class up" their image means reinforcing the idea that displaying certain body parts is automatically sexual or pornographic.

Lots of magazines in the US play that game where they display "implied nude" photos where the participant is nude and in a sexy pose but covers a few key parts penises, vulvas and female nipples are covered. The US version of Maxim basically built their whole fanbase on showing implied nudes and lingerie pics of young female celebs and filling their whole article section with sophomoric and often sexist humor, hardly an upscale publication.

Rolling Stone has some of my favorite editorial content of any magazine out there and often features implied nudes of various celebs often right on the cover. In both cases those magazines go that route because if they didn't restrict their nude pics to implied nude they would get classified as porn, several major chain retailers wouldn't carry them, and those that do would often be forced by law to keep them behind the counter and restrict their sale to folks who are 18+.

Not every business follows this model. Art museums don't restrict entrance to 18+ if some of the art inside is nude. National Geographic doesn't censor nudes of native people who don't have the same body taboos as our culture.

Since Playboy has often maintained that their nudes are artistic and not pornographic I'd have rather seen them keep the full nudity but go in the other direction. Show us a more diverse type of nude art. Rather than show only young, airbrushed female models give us shoots with male, female, young, old, skinny, fat and everything in between models to show people that nudity is nothing to be ashamed of, isn't inherently sexual and can be beautiful no matter your body type.
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Old 14 October 2015, 06:36 PM
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Yea, that gets to me. Playboy is sort of claiming a “mission accomplished” sort of message but is it really? Nudity is almost always presented in a sexualized manner and because of this we still don’t see it normalized. We are still very puritanical about nudity in general. Of course playboy wasn’t presenting it’s nudity in a non-sexual format either so there is that.

My biggest thing is that they emphasize the failure of Playboy was the ready availability of nude women on the internet. That may be partially true, but I see it as more of a reality of publication in general. Adult magazines are tough sell anyhow as fritz points out - and that is one of the reasons I never bought it. Having an adult magazine around isn’t exactly a classy thing to keep around and getting it occasionally required special trips. No ideal. And having a regular subscription isn’t ideal either if you are just buying it for the nudes.

But really it goes down to magazines in general. I personally never bothered subscribing to porn and I imagine it wasn’t ever massively high to begin with IMO. If I want to spend the money to subscribe nowadays its on a specialty interest that is worth the money. Playboy not so much and with the internet in general, I don’t know how it can expect to do better in another market. If people didn’t want to spend money on the magazine before with the nudes (because those are readily available elsewhere), why bother now - the articles? They can do that much better on the internet which, IMO is the bigger reason for the troubles Playboy has faced. People don’t just buy magazines as much and the ones that do, aren’t going to buy Playboy now if they didn’t before without the niche.

The problem goes down to the fact the internet has taken over the need for a lot of magazines in general. If Playboy magazine can’t survive without nudes, I doubt that converting it to a Maxim type magazine is going to do much better for them. They are just competing in another market that I don’t know is anymore successful in the internet market. It’s not special enough to get people to subscribe.
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Old 14 October 2015, 09:39 PM
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Since Playboy has often maintained that their nudes are artistic and not pornographic I'd have rather seen them keep the full nudity but go in the other direction. Show us a more diverse type of nude art. Rather than show only young, airbrushed female models give us shoots with male, female, young, old, skinny, fat and everything in between models to show people that nudity is nothing to be ashamed of, isn't inherently sexual and can be beautiful no matter your body type.
But that would mean taking the magazine in a direction other than "Hugh's idealized lifestyle." They might even be forced to run advertisements for things other than overpriced liquors and imported cigars!
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Old 15 October 2015, 02:15 PM
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They might even be forced to run advertisements for things other than overpriced liquors and imported cigars!
I'm sure that even today if, say, Tampax wanted (for some reason) to do an add in Playboy and paid enough money, they could. Heck, I'll bet they'd love for Victoria's Secret to put adds in Playboy - the magazine would actually be paid for putting in more wanking content!
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Old 15 October 2015, 04:49 PM
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Oh, I'm sure. I just remembered that the time I read a Playboy, the thing that really jumped out at me was that the ads were for all this stuff that was well above my price tag even after ignoring that I don't smoke or drink. The lifestyle the magazine always projected was "rich guy who has pretty young girls that hang onto his arm." Like James Bond without the spy drama. Or Hugh Hefner.
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Old 15 October 2015, 05:52 PM
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I don't know what they've actually said over the years, but the pictures in Playboy have always been highly sexualized. That they also considered them artistic doesn't mean that they weren't tying in to the sexualization of nudity, and really the shaming of nude natural bodies as well. The pictures in Playboy are extremely artificial.
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Old 15 October 2015, 05:58 PM
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Certainly there was shaming of women who didn't fall into Playboy's extremely narrow boundaries of what it meant to be attractive.
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