snopes.com  

Go Back   snopes.com > Non-UL Chat > Police Blotter

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 28 January 2018, 07:00 PM
Psihala's Avatar
Psihala Psihala is offline
 
Join Date: 28 February 2001
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 7,887
Vanishing ‘Serial stowaway’ Marilyn Hartman arrested at Chicago airport — again

The woman known as a “serial stowaway” for her years-long history of sneaking onto airplanes was arrested once again at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport early Sunday — just two weeks after she managed to board a flight to London from the same airport.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-again-n841766
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 29 January 2018, 02:09 PM
Seaboe Muffinchucker's Avatar
Seaboe Muffinchucker Seaboe Muffinchucker is offline
 
Join Date: 30 June 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 18,263
Glasses

This may sound cynical...but are we sure she's mentally ill? Might she not be protesting something?

As for the statement “Releasing any seriously mentally ill person without support and treatment is never a good idea,” that may be true, but it shouldn't be the airport's problem (yes, I do realize it was the sheriff's office who protested to the court). And in today's climate, how do they justify keeping her in custody when she's not violent and has not harmed anyone?

Seaboe
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 29 January 2018, 02:28 PM
Beachlife!'s Avatar
Beachlife! Beachlife! is offline
 
Join Date: 22 June 2001
Location: Lansing, MI
Posts: 28,374
Default

I was thinking she was trying to protest or prove a point, but she's being oddly silent about it if she is.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 29 January 2018, 07:25 PM
Richard W's Avatar
Richard W Richard W is offline
 
Join Date: 19 February 2000
Location: High Wycombe, UK
Posts: 25,890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker View Post
And in today's climate, how do they justify keeping her in custody when she's not violent and has not harmed anyone?

Seaboe
This article about her (between her arrest in London a couple of weeks ago, and the latest one) makes the opposite point - that in "today's climate" she's very lucky that she's a "grandmotherly white woman" because anybody else doing this would likely get a very different outcome...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ealth-homeless

Quote:
Her secret weapon is revealed by that wall of mug shots: Hartman is an ageing and grandmotherly white woman who blends into crowds and does not make airport figures nervous. It is impossible to conceive of a younger person of, say, Middle Eastern origin, being treated so innocuously at the airport after being caught in the midst of sneaky behavior. It is also impossible to conceive of such a person being allowed to do this again and again and again with minimal repercussions.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 29 January 2018, 07:34 PM
Seaboe Muffinchucker's Avatar
Seaboe Muffinchucker Seaboe Muffinchucker is offline
 
Join Date: 30 June 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 18,263
Glasses

That's criminal custody, Richard W. Sorry that I wasn't more clear, but I meant in custody in the context of mental illness.

Seaboe
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 29 January 2018, 07:42 PM
Sooeygun Sooeygun is offline
 
Join Date: 30 May 2008
Location: Toronto, ON
Posts: 1,089
Default

Interesting that I was just watching Get Out. Quote from the TSA friend.

Quote:
Look, look Chris, tell me this okay? How can I get in trouble for patting down an old lady? It's standard procedure. Gary just thinks if an elderly bitch is elderly, she can't hijack no mother****ing plane. [Chris laughs] See, wait, wait, now, I know you're laughing. I'm serious, man. The next 9/11 is going to be on some geriatric shit.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 29 January 2018, 08:20 PM
Richard W's Avatar
Richard W Richard W is offline
 
Join Date: 19 February 2000
Location: High Wycombe, UK
Posts: 25,890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker View Post
Sorry that I wasn't more clear, but I meant in custody in the context of mental illness.
OK, fair enough. I'm not sure if she'd qualify for being "sectioned" here either.

Although if she wasn't a harmless-looking white-haired old lady you'd probably be able to put up a good case that repeatedly trying to sneak onto aircraft without authorisation constituted a "danger to herself or others", which I believe is one of the main criteria...
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 29 January 2018, 08:33 PM
Aud 1 Aud 1 is offline
 
Join Date: 05 October 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 7,159
Default

I think this is more a sad commentary on how invisible middle aged women are in society.

This superpower is rising within me and I promise to use it for good.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 29 January 2018, 08:41 PM
Beachlife!'s Avatar
Beachlife! Beachlife! is offline
 
Join Date: 22 June 2001
Location: Lansing, MI
Posts: 28,374
Default

Is 66 middle aged?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 29 January 2018, 09:53 PM
RichardM RichardM is offline
 
Join Date: 27 March 2004
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Posts: 4,229
Default

I think so!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 29 January 2018, 11:54 PM
Mouse's Avatar
Mouse Mouse is offline
 
Join Date: 10 July 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 7,216
Mouse

If she lives to be 132, then 66 qualifies as middle-aged.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 30 January 2018, 01:46 PM
Sylvanz's Avatar
Sylvanz Sylvanz is offline
 
Join Date: 23 June 2001
Location: Michigan
Posts: 7,939
Default

Sheesh, pedantic technicalities.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 30 January 2018, 01:52 PM
GenYus234's Avatar
GenYus234 GenYus234 is offline
 
Join Date: 02 August 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 25,550
Default

I don't think "middle-aged" is limited to just the median age of the average lifespan, but instead covers a range of ages that precede "elderly".
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 30 January 2018, 02:03 PM
Lainie's Avatar
Lainie Lainie is offline
 
Join Date: 29 August 2005
Location: Suburban Columbus, OH
Posts: 74,331
Default

It's middle age because it's between youth and old age.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 30 January 2018, 03:44 PM
Bobcat Warrior Bobcat Warrior is offline
 
Join Date: 22 October 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 925
Default

I am 68; beginning to approach middle age!

BW
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 30 January 2018, 03:51 PM
Beachlife!'s Avatar
Beachlife! Beachlife! is offline
 
Join Date: 22 June 2001
Location: Lansing, MI
Posts: 28,374
Default

If the average lifespan is 80 years, and one considers the middle 50% of ones life middle aged; it would run from 20 to 60. 66 is beyond the traditional retirement age, I can't see how it would be called middle aged. If you aren't beyond middle aged in the last 15 years of your lifespan when does middle aged end?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 30 January 2018, 04:30 PM
GenYus234's Avatar
GenYus234 GenYus234 is offline
 
Join Date: 02 August 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 25,550
Default

So the Middle Ages are the time period from 2.125 billion years ago to the time 2.625 billion years from now?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 30 January 2018, 06:14 PM
Esprise Me's Avatar
Esprise Me Esprise Me is offline
 
Join Date: 02 October 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 6,694
Default

I think middle age is the middle of adulthood, not the middle of life. Middle age ending at 60 makes a lot more sense than starting at 20!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 30 January 2018, 06:22 PM
Beachlife!'s Avatar
Beachlife! Beachlife! is offline
 
Join Date: 22 June 2001
Location: Lansing, MI
Posts: 28,374
Default

I would agree. 40-60 sounds about right, though many people at 40 would not care for that distinction.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 30 January 2018, 06:23 PM
Sue's Avatar
Sue Sue is offline
 
Join Date: 26 December 2011
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 8,974
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat Warrior View Post
I am 68; beginning to approach middle age!

BW


Once upon a time when I was nowhere near the age I am now I can remember reading a book where a character was described as middle aged and thinking "Pfft, since when is 60 middle aged?" Well I'll tell you - since I got closer and closer to 60 that's when! Anyway we need to come up with a better way to describe people in their 60s. If not middle aged or elderly, than what? Golden years kind of sucks IMO. Someone needs to work on this .
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Boston airport car crash: 'Several hurt' near Logan airport WildaBeast Crash and Burn 1 03 July 2017 09:46 PM
Shipment of 18 human heads found at Chicago's O'Hare airport snopes The Doctor Is In 7 08 February 2013 07:34 PM
JFK and Marilyn Jenn Fauxtography 4 21 February 2010 01:13 PM
Was Marilyn Monroe a size 16? snopes Entertainment 10 28 April 2009 12:37 AM
"Boemerang": Erik Hartman laughs at his guests snopes Fauxtography 5 17 June 2007 03:17 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.