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Old 11 October 2017, 04:24 PM
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All male Mormons are expected to go on their "Mission" shortly after high school if I remember correctly. DH's family were Mormons. Oddly enough these kids are called The Elders. I really don't know why. They can be sent overseas or anywhere in the states. DH gets really huffy when they stop at our house, and gives them a bit of a lecture about why he isn't interested, he is still angry with how the local church treated his mom when she was dying of Cancer. I really don't know how they've kept track of him as he has never been a practicing Mormon. The first few times they stopped here (the 6th or 7th place we've lived since we got married...34 years ago) they asked to speak with DH and his second ex-wife.
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Old 11 October 2017, 04:24 PM
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They go everywhere, but some have a tendency to insure that their missionary work is confined to countries that have modern plumbing.
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Old 11 October 2017, 04:37 PM
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Don't know if this in true in all churches, but in the Presbyterian church where I went as a kid, there were two groups of layperson officials. The deacons were in charge of the business and financial matters of the church. The elders were responsible for the outreach programs like counseling, visiting the sick, prison services, etc. In that context, the LDS members on mission would be elders, despite the contradiction with their age.
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Old 11 October 2017, 06:04 PM
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Huh. My door knocker looks like this but that's never stopped them. It worked for my parents, who had the same type of door knocker, but they lived in Mormon territory from what my mother told me.
My grandfather, a Lutheran pastor, would answer the door wearing his clerical collar and they'd still want to talk to him. To be fair, they firmly believe that theirs is THE right way, so adherence to a different religion wouldn't logically be a reason to abandon their proselytizing efforts.
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Old 11 October 2017, 06:09 PM
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A clerical collar wouldn't have stopped some of the people I grew up among, including my mother. One time we knocked on a door and a guy answered wearing just a towel around his waist. I was maybe 11 or 12 and froze (it was my turn to talk*), but my mom didn't miss a beat, stepped right up and went into her spiel.

*Yes, JWs get their kids to join in, not always voluntarily (wasn't for me, I hated it).
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Old 11 October 2017, 06:11 PM
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they firmly believe that theirs is THE right way, so adherence to a different religion wouldn't logically be a reason to abandon their proselytizing efforts.
Which is why I was skeptical of the claim that they would leave if you said "I'm sorry; we're Jewish" Bill mentioned earlier. If they believe their religion is the only correct one, then someone practicing the "wrong" religion would be just as much a candidate to proselytize to as someone who isn't religious at all, perhaps even more so.
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Old 11 October 2017, 06:33 PM
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I think it may depend on the particular people who show up. I generally just say something along the lines of 'no thanks, I consider religion to be a private matter' and the ones here have always, so far, gone away politely.
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Old 11 October 2017, 06:34 PM
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Which is why I was skeptical of the claim that they would leave if you said "I'm sorry; we're Jewish" Bill mentioned earlier. If they believe their religion is the only correct one, then someone practicing the "wrong" religion would be just as much a candidate to proselytize to as someone who isn't religious at all, perhaps even more so.
I have heard that to get rid of JWs, the best thing is to say, "I'm dis-fellowshipped. "

I don't know if that is true. I don't get people at my front door.
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Old 11 October 2017, 06:35 PM
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I did get a couple of Mormons to leave once by saying "we're Jewish", but it was in response to an opening question that specifically mentioned Jesus, which IME JWs tend not to do - they talk about Jehovah, not Jesus, and they believe the two are separate.

Plus IME Mormons are less systematic and disciplined about proselytizing. I could be wrong, but that's my perception.
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Old 11 October 2017, 07:07 PM
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Last time I had Mormons at the door, they were two young men who saw over my shoulder a photo of me on the wall holding an unmanned aircraft after my last flight in Afghanistan. Very quickly the conversation stopped being about Mormonism and evolved quickly into robotics and the future of "drone warfare".

Very interesting young men, not very disciplined missionaries.
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Old 11 October 2017, 08:51 PM
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My grandfather, a Lutheran pastor, would answer the door wearing his clerical collar and they'd still want to talk to him. To be fair, they firmly believe that theirs is THE right way, so adherence to a different religion wouldn't logically be a reason to abandon their proselytizing efforts.
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Which is why I was skeptical of the claim that they would leave if you said "I'm sorry; we're Jewish" Bill mentioned earlier. If they believe their religion is the only correct one, then someone practicing the "wrong" religion would be just as much a candidate to proselytize to as someone who isn't religious at all, perhaps even more so.
Right, but if I said I belong to Brand X Church, they might figure I'm committed to that and less likely to join their church, and they might give me a lower priority than someone with no church affiliation at all.

My mother also mentioned that they used to tend to go out on Sunday mornings to tend to get the less committed Christians who don't attend Sunday services.

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Old 11 October 2017, 08:59 PM
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Photo of random woman:

Vegan, won’t eat eggs because “they’re still baby chickens.”
Is pro-choice because “it’s only a clump of cells.”
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Old 11 October 2017, 09:03 PM
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Not a vegan, but I'm pretty sure their objection is the treatment of the hen, not that egg is a baby chicken. Otherwise, they'd be fine with milk products or honey as that is simply food for babies, not babies as food.

Also, most eggs sold for consumption could never be baby chickens because they were never fertilized.

But don't let me stop that person's enjoyment of their amazing insight into the contradiction of that stereotypical vegan.

ETA: Might have a touch more validity if they were talking about balut.

FETA: Is honey food for the bees and jelly is for the bee pupae? Do bee have pupae? Am I too lazy to Google bee babies?
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Old 11 October 2017, 09:17 PM
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Last time I had Mormons at the door, they were two young men who saw over my shoulder a photo of me on the wall holding an unmanned aircraft after my last flight in Afghanistan. Very quickly the conversation stopped being about Mormonism and evolved quickly into robotics and the future of "drone warfare".

Very interesting young men, not very disciplined missionaries.
We ran into two Mormon missionaries when we were in Europe one time (I think it was France) anyway they were so thrilled to meet two people who spoke like they did that they never even mentioned "save your soul, sir". They were nice kids.
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Old 11 October 2017, 10:17 PM
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Seen on the back of a pickup:

Kids who hunt, fish and trap don't mug little old ladies!

Whaaaaat?
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Old 11 October 2017, 10:31 PM
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I'm guessing that's sort of a take on "idle hands are the devil's playthings" in that kids who participate in those activities aren't going to have time to be committing crimes. Of course you could say that about pretty much ANY activity -- kids who play basketball, or kids who read books...
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Old 11 October 2017, 11:00 PM
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Also many of those activities would require adult supervision at least to start. I would bet that nearly any activity that results in increased positive adult interactions would decrease criminal behavior.
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Old 11 October 2017, 11:43 PM
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I read it as a classist or even racist "us vs. them":

Kids who hunt, fish, and trap primarily live in the country. As recreational activities go, those demographics are primarily white. There's also a stereotype that people only get mugged in big cities and urban areas, not in the country. And people don't get mugged by down-home good ol' boys, either...

Even if you don't choose to read racism into it, it definitely portrays the tired idea that "country folk are superior to city folk.".
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Old 12 October 2017, 12:01 AM
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Anyone who grew up around kids who hunt, fish, and trap (or was one for that matter) knows: 1) It's a load of horseshite 'cause lots of them definitely would if they merely got the notion and 2) There are worse things than mugging old ladies and some of those kids did most of them. Some of those kids had plenty of time and badness. Between hunting or whatever wholesome activities they were doing to kill animals. (ETA - Not sure what kind of supervision is needed for those activities. Yes, if they're under age eight maybe. Hunting and stuff isn't all boyscouts. And I knew a few boyscouts who would have mugged someone given the opportunity as well.)

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Old 16 October 2017, 01:33 AM
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This may be the single most obnoxious iteration of the misplaced nostalgia meme I've ever seen:

https://www.facebook.com/DavidAvocad...4888673036512/

(I looked for a YouTube version of the video, but couldn't find one.)

In addition to the usual rose-colored glasses BS, this one has possibly the most smarmy, self-congratulatory tone imaginable. Apparently, not only are we "the last generation to listen to our parents," but "the first generation to listen to our kids." Bleah.
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