snopes.com  

Go Back   snopes.com > SLC Central > Soapbox Derby

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06 August 2018, 07:41 PM
E. Q. Taft's Avatar
E. Q. Taft E. Q. Taft is offline
 
Join Date: 30 July 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,194
Facebook YouTube, Apple and Facebook remove content from InfoWars and Alex Jones

YouTube, Facebook and Apple have taken steps to remove content associated with InfoWars and its founder Alex Jones.

Each social media platform said Monday that it had removed content from Jones or InfoWars because it had violated their policies. The companies' moves shut down key distribution channels that had given the controversial media figure easy access to millions of internet users.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/06/tec...nes/index.html
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07 August 2018, 01:17 AM
mbravo's Avatar
mbravo mbravo is offline
 
Join Date: 29 December 2015
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,294
Default

Unfortunately this will only fuel the persecution/conspiracy theorist complex of certain people who share this content.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07 August 2018, 01:46 AM
Jusenkyo no Pikachu Jusenkyo no Pikachu is offline
 
Join Date: 11 May 2003
Location: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 1,964
Default



Had to.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07 August 2018, 02:54 AM
Mouse's Avatar
Mouse Mouse is offline
 
Join Date: 10 July 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 7,401
Mouse

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbravo View Post
Unfortunately this will only fuel the persecution/conspiracy theorist complex of certain people who share this content.
Everything fuels their complexes. Even if Facebook et. al. rolled out the red carpet, the InfoWars nutbars would find some way of accusing those companies of being part of the Deep State Illuminati Islamo-Fascist Socialist Whatever BS They Believe In conspiracy. It's what they do. They'd find one random post or something weird in the company logo and go to town with it.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07 August 2018, 05:10 PM
UEL's Avatar
UEL UEL is offline
 
Join Date: 01 August 2004
Location: Fredericton, Canada
Posts: 9,259
Baseball

However, it just became a lot harder for new people to the conspiracy to get easy access to the information.

In the end, I suspect that it will diminish the Jones fed conspiracy effect.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07 August 2018, 05:18 PM
GenYus234's Avatar
GenYus234 GenYus234 is online now
 
Join Date: 02 August 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 26,107
Default

Much more importantly is that it removes a revenue source for such conspiracy spouters. IMO, many of these people are exaggerating or outright fabricating their personality because they know they can make a fair bit of money from it. If it becomes less profitable to do so, it may discourage them or others like them from doing so. Of course, it could actually make it more profitable if they drum up more donation money because of the "censorship", but YouTube et al can only do so much.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07 August 2018, 06:58 PM
E. Q. Taft's Avatar
E. Q. Taft E. Q. Taft is offline
 
Join Date: 30 July 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,194
Default

I wonder if we can turn this into an argument for net neutrality.

Obviously, YouTube is a private site/service, and they can prohibit whoever they care to. Alex Jones can (and has) make his videos available on his own site.

But what if ISP's started declining to carry his site (or throttling its speed down to the point where the video is impossible to stream at any reasonable quality, unless he pays up for some kind of premium distribution)? Or, perhaps more likely, what if Google made a deal with major ISPs that if they want to carry YouTube, they can't carry competing streaming video services? Then anyone YouTube decides to block will have a hell of a time getting wide distribution.

If Jones' fanatics are going to scream about persecution, can we at least get them to apply pressure for something worth having? (As annoying as it would be to be on their side...)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07 August 2018, 08:33 PM
Errata's Avatar
Errata Errata is offline
 
Join Date: 02 August 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 13,154
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by E. Q. Taft View Post
If Jones' fanatics are going to scream about persecution, can we at least get them to apply pressure for something worth having?
They'd never come to the conclusion that everyone needs freedom from persecution. They'd only try to find some way to ensure that they get to do the persecuting.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08 August 2018, 11:05 AM
Jusenkyo no Pikachu Jusenkyo no Pikachu is offline
 
Join Date: 11 May 2003
Location: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 1,964
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GenYus234 View Post
Much more importantly is that it removes a revenue source for such conspiracy spouters. IMO, many of these people are exaggerating or outright fabricating their personality because they know they can make a fair bit of money from it. If it becomes less profitable to do so, it may discourage them or others like them from doing so. Of course, it could actually make it more profitable if they drum up more donation money because of the "censorship", but YouTube et al can only do so much.
I actually thought that the overpriced underdosed nootropics with soy that counters soy* was the primary source of income. Along with the other useless crap he hawks.

*That’s a thing Paul Joseph Watson blindly claimed (specifically, that the soy was put in Brain Force Plus to cancel out the libidinous effects of Alpha-GPC. For us laypeople: The Alpha-GPC is the soy, and is in too small a dose to have any effect on the libido).
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08 August 2018, 02:21 PM
UEL's Avatar
UEL UEL is offline
 
Join Date: 01 August 2004
Location: Fredericton, Canada
Posts: 9,259
Baseball

On my Twitter feed last night, someone posted a picture of the InfoWars user agreement.

In it, it specifically stated that as a private entity it was not bound by the First Amendment so it could block anyone it wanted from participating in its forums etc. And it was in AlexJones speak.

The person posted it contrasted that statement with the one that Alex Jones made about being censored.

It was an instant classic with me.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08 August 2018, 02:46 PM
GenYus234's Avatar
GenYus234 GenYus234 is online now
 
Join Date: 02 August 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 26,107
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jusenkyo no Pikachu View Post
I actually thought that the overpriced underdosed nootropics with soy that counters soy* was the primary source of income. Along with the other useless crap he hawks.
Could be, but his hawking could also be hurt by lack of sites on which to hawk it.

ETA:
Quote:
Originally Posted by UEL View Post
It was an instant classic with me.
You must have a lot of classics then because that level of blind hypocrisy is de rigueur for people like him.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08 August 2018, 10:58 PM
E. Q. Taft's Avatar
E. Q. Taft E. Q. Taft is offline
 
Join Date: 30 July 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,194
Default Beware the Slippery Slope of Facebook Censorship

The death-pit for civil liberties is usually found in a combination of fringe/unpopular people or ideas and a national security emergency.

This is where we are with this unsettling new confab of Facebook, Congress and the Trump administration.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-jones-705766/
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11 August 2018, 03:59 AM
Mouse's Avatar
Mouse Mouse is offline
 
Join Date: 10 July 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 7,401
Mouse

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jusenkyo no Pikachu View Post
I actually thought that the overpriced underdosed nootropics with soy that counters soy* was the primary source of income. Along with the other useless crap he hawks.
Is that related to the whole Soy Boy meme the Far Right is obsessed with? Y’know China has been regularly consuming soy for over a thousand years. If it really did turn everyone Gay, you’d think they would have noticed it.

Though for those looking for some truly grandiose stupid, come see what has to be the worst use of Martin Niemoller ever!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11 August 2018, 04:21 AM
E. Q. Taft's Avatar
E. Q. Taft E. Q. Taft is offline
 
Join Date: 30 July 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,194
Default

Saw a snarky meme on FB today charging that this ban is actually a false-flag operation by Jones to make him look persecuted.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11 August 2018, 04:41 AM
Jusenkyo no Pikachu Jusenkyo no Pikachu is offline
 
Join Date: 11 May 2003
Location: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 1,964
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouse View Post
Is that related to the whole Soy Boy meme the Far Right is obsessed with?
Yup. I have a whole other post about that (Specifically, back-and-forth between PJW and H.Bomberguy). It's in the Science forum.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11 August 2018, 04:50 AM
erwins's Avatar
erwins erwins is offline
 
Join Date: 04 April 2006
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 12,161
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by E. Q. Taft View Post
Saw a snarky meme on FB today charging that this ban is actually a false-flag operation by Jones to make him look persecuted.
There is no "Alex Jones," just an actor playing a kooky right-wing conspiracy theorist to discredit conservatives. Ugh. Sometimes irony is painful.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 13 August 2018, 02:29 AM
Mouse's Avatar
Mouse Mouse is offline
 
Join Date: 10 July 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 7,401
Mouse

Maybe we can try to get that theory going, erwins. It might make for an entertaining show. Heck, I might actually support this theory. There’s an element of fun to this theory akin to the one about Tommy Wiseau being DB Cooper. I know the Cooper-Wiseau theory isn’t likely true, but I find it hilarious, the idea that Cooper staged this elaborate heist and successfully disappeared for decades, just so he could make the worst movie ever.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 15 August 2018, 07:12 PM
E. Q. Taft's Avatar
E. Q. Taft E. Q. Taft is offline
 
Join Date: 30 July 2003
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,194
Default Twitter suspends conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for one week

Twitter has suspended far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones from its platform for one week.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/14/med...nes/index.html
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 16 August 2018, 12:32 AM
thorny locust's Avatar
thorny locust thorny locust is offline
 
Join Date: 27 April 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 9,388
Default

One week? What's that supposed to accomplish?

I can see a one-week suspension for a miscellaneous user who's been out of line a couple of times, and might wise up if slapped in that fashion. But as near as I can tell without watching him, which I ain't gonna if I can help it, Jones' entire schtick is being out of line.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 16 August 2018, 04:03 PM
Jusenkyo no Pikachu Jusenkyo no Pikachu is offline
 
Join Date: 11 May 2003
Location: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 1,964
Default

Twitter is useless, really. They let Alex Jones off with a slap on the wrist, but...I just checked three of his contributors and they seem to be fine.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Parents Of Children Who Were Killed In Sandy Hook Are Suing Alex Jones thorny locust Soapbox Derby 22 26 April 2018 06:59 PM
Advertisers ask YouTube to pull ads from Alex Jones' channels Psihala Business Bytes 10 07 March 2018 10:27 AM
Alex Jones’ YouTube channel struck down, “Attack on the first amendment!” Jusenkyo no Pikachu Soapbox Derby 3 05 March 2018 04:17 PM
Bilderberg: Alex Jones disrupts BBC's Sunday Politics Andrew of Ware Soapbox Derby 5 15 June 2013 05:59 PM
Alex Jones: Conspiracy Inc. E. Q. Taft Business Bytes 4 06 May 2013 12:20 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.